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 Post subject: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:17 am  (#1) 
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I invite all active members to this discussion as they may have their suggestions too.
I have a few but will limit myself to these two:

1. The Tutorials must have subcategories (beside text and video).
All, GIMP basics, Quick Tips, Animations, Text Effects, Special Effects, Photo Effects, Design, Uncategorized/Other, etc.
(these are just my quick picks, not perfect, open for discussion)

2. Preview thumbnails to the Tutorials and Gimp Art (maybe Gimp Animations and Website graphic design also to be considered, but that would be too much for now)

Well, the reasoning behind all this is:
I find it difficult to navigate tutorials as they are now - going through all the pages. The number of tutorials grows daily, the ability to filter out the ones you don't need right now saves you tons of time.
When you get to desired subcategory, the tutorials' preview thumbnail along with the title will save you even more time.
It takes a split second to realize if a tutorial is the right one by simply looking at preview.
Every one of you have scouted hundreds of tutorial websites, so i guess you all know what i'm talking about.

Active members can update their tutorials themselves. The rest of the tutorials can be left with admin/moderators picks or without preview thumbs.

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:52 am  (#2) 
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How do you use search?
Gimp Chat Search
Do you use any of these links?
Gimp Chat Tutorial Index
Gimp Tips and Tricks
Essential GIMP Tutorials
Do you use a tutorial bookmark folder?
Have you thought about compiling such a list for yourself or one you could share with others?
Just curious!

There are currently 480+ tutorials; I'm guessing at least 65-70% have been posted by infrequent or dormant members.

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:58 am  (#3) 
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K1TesseraEna wrote:
I invite all active members to this discussion as they may have their suggestions too.
I have a few but will limit myself to these two:

1. The Tutorials must have subcategories (beside text and video).
All, GIMP basics, Quick Tips, Animations, Text Effects, Special Effects, Photo Effects, Design, Uncategorized/Other, etc.
(these are just my quick picks, not perfect, open for discussion)


I Agree! :jumpclap :bigthup :coolthup :yesnod

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:49 am  (#4) 
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Odinbc wrote:
How do you use search?
Gimp Chat Search
Do you use any of these links?
Gimp Chat Tutorial Index
Gimp Tips and Tricks
Essential GIMP Tutorials
Do you use a tutorial bookmark folder?
Have you thought about compiling such a list for yourself or one you could share with others?
Just curious!

There are currently 480+ tutorials; I'm guessing at least 65-70% have been posted by infrequent or dormant members.


Those are very useful links Odin. But how any of this is going to help if someone, say, wants to look up all and only Animation Tutorials?
You type in 'animation' and choose 'gimp tutorials' to narrow the search. What if animation tutorial does not contain the word 'animation' in topic title?
Besides, the search returns...pages again. I would love to see other structure and preferably with preview.
The same with other links, Odin. I don't see how I can single out any of the suggested above tutorial subcategories.
What's your opinion about preview thumbnails?
65-70% are infrequent or dormant. I went through the first 5 pages in text tutorials and 95% are still active members.
Yes, i'm using bookmarks, but how is it helping here? I can't subcategorize my bookmarks either! Besides, I am not bookmarking exclusively tutorials.
And it's not me I'm worried about. Maybe we should ask new members about usefulness of these features. We can navigate this site blindfolded. But what about newbs?
If the question is who's gonna do all the dirty work, I can offer myself at your service. No problem.
Most of the best websites, by the way, have the features I'm suggesting. And it really makes a huge difference

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:37 am  (#5) 
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what about making tags available to a topic, like what's used at the plugin registry and gimpscripts? If the forum software won't support that, another approach might be adding descriptors in the thread title. Something like:
Letter Drop Tutorial [Animation][Text Effect]


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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:42 am  (#6) 
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K1TesseraEna wrote:
Those are very useful links Odin. But how any of this is going to help if someone, say, wants to look up all and only Animation Tutorials...
If the question is who's gonna do all the dirty work, I can offer myself at your service. No problem.
Most of the best websites, by the way, have the features I'm suggesting. And it really makes a huge difference
The 65-70% part will make more sense if you scan the Gimp Chat Index by Author.
Categories are subjective, keywords are better; I like a tag cloud myself.
When you say thumbnails do you mean in the tutorial thread list or in the Gimp Chat Index?
Can you give a few example of 'the best website', I'd like to see how they work?
Keep in mind this is a forum not a blog or website.

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:13 am  (#7) 
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Personally i hate nested boards and sub categories i would not like the change

A example of a forum with far too much categories, all containing several"child board" each containing other nested "Child Boards " is http://www.fractalforums.com , i hope GC would not do something alike, browse that forum for me is a pain, also because new post are not visible if are done on "child board" so each time i have to explore all the labyrinth.

for what you wish is much better learn to use search

And as far as improvements would be sufficient allow to "tag" the new topic :

using your example of Tutorial i will found useful Tutorials tagged as you suggested ( GIMP basics, Quick Tips, Animations, Text Effects, Special Effects, Photo Effects, Design, Uncategorized/Other, etc.) that for sure will make search easier...BUT i will found horrible them not as tags but as nested boards.

Also because many of that categories often overlap, not a problem if are "tags" because you may use several tags so the same tut may be tagged " Quick Tips" "Animations" "Text Effects" "Special Effects" " Design"
BUT if instead would be new nested boards ...where you will post a quick tutorial about animated , special logo effect ? ... under "Quick Tips" ,under "Animations" under "Text Effects" or , "Special Effects" or under" Design" ...you will be forced to chose 1

And then to search quickly you will need a magick crystal ball telling you which of the 5 possible adapt boards was chosen


I already have similar nightmares when browsing fractalforums please, please don't do the same here on GC

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:29 pm  (#8) 
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We are certainly open to better ways of indexing the tutorials and there are some limitations when scanning the master index or using the built-in search feature. Post tags could be a useful addition. We do ask that members who submit tutorials include a final image of the result but we can't always enforce those rules.

Some people don't actually add the content here, rather they post an off-site link to a tutorial (or an image), which usually ends up dead, or moved, and eventually has to be deleted.

Believe me, we're listening to suggestions and taking them all seriously. Thanks for expressing yourselves. Hopefully, more will do the same.

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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:42 pm  (#9) 
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IMO, I think post tags added to the subject line would be the fastest and easiest solution. I agree that it is very difficult to find the tutorials you might be hunting for, so I will be happy with any solution that will make it easier.


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 Post subject: Re: GimpChat site improvement suggestions
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:14 pm  (#10) 
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It would be nice if tags may be added not only by the tutorial authors but also by registered users

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