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 Post subject: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:49 pm  (#1) 
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photography and photo manipulations are two things i'm not good at - to put it mildly. but why be stopped from doing something fun just because you suck at it :)? i have a sort of seasonal project for halloween, a story i make for some friends about a fortune teller, and i thought i could illustrate it with some photos. but i get a bit confused by all the choices there is to make! the first picture is with the original colours and some extra darkness added (i'm trying to get a sort of chiaroscuro effect), the second is with the colours changed with new curve settings and these colours are more realistic but i think they look too harsh and ugly. any opinions? then i added two kinds of effects to the glass bowl where (i assume) the fortune teller sees her visions - one is with light beams, the other with soft light "puffs". i liked the puffs better, but i thought the beams looked more photographic. maybe i shouldn't use either of them but just make a smoke cloud or something instead?
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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:36 am  (#2) 
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I like the last one best. It looks very magical. They are all nice though. The atmosphere is spot on. Who's the model?

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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:10 am  (#3) 
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erisian: oh thank you brother, thank you! i'm hypersensitive when it comes to my photos because i know i'm a lousy photographer and i know photo manipulation isn't one of my strong points either. i posted these in a sudden burst of confidence because i thought they turned out good enough - and then no one commented and i know what that means :( . so glad to hear there's at least one more person in the world who thinks these pictures have the right atmosphere! i was ready to give up this type of thing for good and go hide under a rock. said i was hypersensitive :).

you're not being entirely helpful, though. you said you liked the last one, but would it be better or worse with the curve settings i used for the middle one? or with the colours tweaked some other way? and i still don't know if the puffs are best or the beams or some completely different effect - i tried smoke (plain and coloured) yesterday but i didn't like it at all, so smoke is out of the question.

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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:07 pm  (#4) 
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i wrote a reply and then decided i cant comment on something i have no knowledge of (photography)

the idea about the chiaroscuro effect is good and fitting but i think it could be more extreme, even surreal
as i have no knowledge of filters i dont know how to achieve that
how about something simple as posterize or cartoon or something like that ?

about the special effects you added:
i think they are not needed, the picture and theme works without them very well

the way you photographed everything is well done, i think
every detail looks authentic: from the decoration to the clothes, the crystal bowl,
the model, how she looks and her posture, the hair, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:10 pm  (#5) 
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I like the lighting in the first one, the others are too dark for my tastes. If this is photography, I can't speak to any effects you may have added but I would definitely have her intently staring at the creation in the bowl. Conjuring plasma energy is not easy and requires a great deal of concentration. :hehe Add the swirls from the second one and the blurred spots from the third (both look great) and I think it would look even better. I really like your pic.

I hope you don't mind me stealing your pic but this is sort of what I meant. It's probably way too intense and I know you will do a much better job.

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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:54 pm  (#6) 
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I like the last one best, too. Haha, it's funny that you call yourself super sensitive, because I am the same way. If someone doesn't comment right away, I start to feel sad. But it's my problem; it's not like the whole world is just waiting to comment on a post I posted...this forum, though, is a lot nicer than others! :hi5

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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:00 pm  (#7) 
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just tried a few things with G'MIC

how about that ?
its Artistic -> Graphic Novel
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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:54 am  (#8) 
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AnMal wrote:
i'm hypersensitive when it comes to my photos because i know i'm a lousy photographer and i know photo manipulation isn't one of my strong points either.


I'd say you're wrong on both points :)

In overall tone, my preference is for fortune teller1.png. I like the darker feel and the green top looks better to me more saturated. I think the effect in the bowl is better in fortune teller3.png as it's more noticeable.

The are a couple of minor criticisms I could make about the composition, but I'm probably being over analytical given that this is part of a greater whole and not meant to stand alone.

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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:12 am  (#9) 
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AnMal, what you have done is very good. Personally I like the first one. There are two light sources, One is to the side and would highlight the sleeves of the woman and the headband but the light in the bowl is the one that casts that beautiful glow on the features. That being so, the glow (reflected light should be from there) should show on the inside of the hands and light the bottom of the chin and cheeks. Obviously that takes a lot of work but you can simulate that effect by using the clone tool.
Copy the layer. Use the clone tool in registered mode and in screen mode at say 40% opacity with an airbrush.
Vary the size of the brush for different areas. This way you can selectively enhance your light effect without making permanent changes until you are happy with the result. BTW I say again what you have done is very good , I am just offering another way to achieve your desired effect. I have probably overdone the chin somewhat and I would spend more time there but it only showed up after I uploaded the photo.
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 Post subject: Re: fortune teller project
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:46 pm  (#10) 
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everyone: :oops: i'm so sorry, i really didn't mean to call the rescue squad! i'm not normally this sensitive about my work, it's just when i do things like photography and photo manipulation.
thank you for all the valuable feedback - i have a week to finish the whole project so i can take some more time to work on these pictures and try out all your tips :). i'm eager to get started on it now so this post is a bit short - i'l be back later and thank you all personally for your feedback.

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