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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:38 pm  (#11) 
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I only have the file that I posted as you instructed to delete the others as used so I may not be able to fix it. Also, I wondered that I started on the correct "top layer" as when doing the repititions, there would always be listed Rubik's cube at top, then a G'mic layer without the numbers after it, and then a layer with #1 after it. Was I supposed to start with the very top layer, or the one numbered #1. I started with the very top one each time.

Also, in the instructions, when you state to repeat 14-40 for each new animation, do you mean to repeat #15 again to change direction? It had just been changed in #32. I got confused as to what I should change #15 to as it had already been changed to clockwise and counterclockwise. I think I chose 180 degrees. Was that correct?


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:05 pm  (#12) 
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Sorry for any confusion. You did select the correct layer "Rubik's Cube". You are right, the second time through steps 15 and 32 should be 180 degrees. In step 14 I mention saving the animations. I should elaborate that I save each of the three animations with with the names Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3. I will go and fix these in the tutorial.

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:19 am  (#13) 
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Thank you so much for your idea to add more detail in your tut. I get lost just when I have to start the second cube. So if you could add any shot of the layers when main steps it would be very helpful. Thank you PhotoMaster. This effect of yours is really nice. :coolthup :tyspin

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:09 am  (#14) 
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Thanks PhotoMaster for an amazing tutorial and good luck with a script :hehe I found it requires real concentration because a single lapse shows-up in the end result.
Like some of the others I got a bit lost at where the second and third nests (phases) come-in.
I assumed the nesting was happening from the larger cube to the smaller cubes
I did get an OK result but at over 3Mb I feel it's a bit large to upload.

After looking at the cube again I think it's actually 'The Animated Rubik's Cube Droste Effect'
which leads to mathmap. For me that is a scary thought. :wizdance


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:36 pm  (#15) 
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Updated the tutorial with clearer wording and some pictures. Please feel free to ask me any questions you might have.

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:54 am  (#16) 
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Hi PhotoMaster.
Have had another try at this. I somehow rotated the cube without
the rubik's segments. I don't know why that happened but it's actually something I would like to achieve.
I would like to have nested stuff rotating in other stuff without the constraints of the rubik's cube.

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The image is graphene in alcohol (no alcohol involved) :rofl
I was unable to drag a layer from one xcf to another.
Instead I had to make all layers invisible except the top one.
Then Edit > 'copy visible'
On the original xcf Edit >'paste as' >'new layer'
Also I am losing the rotation when I go from one phase to the next. I end-up with just the last phase rotating.
I know it's my error.


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:43 am  (#17) 
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I'm quite surprised that it gave you the cube without the Rubik's segments. I can see you used the Rubik's script because of the flip error in the bottom layer. ( Script error not your error) I've done many spinning cubes using Filter all layers and map object, but it is not working correctly in the latest Gimp versions.

If you can't drag a layer from on image to the next, you click the layer you want to drag and hit Ctrl+C to copy it. Select where you wanted to drag it and hit Ctrl+V.

I assume that your initial cube did spin. Steps 17 to 24 creates your first frame of the outer cube. Steps 25 to 31 create the second in the same way as the first but uses layer 2 to create the new layer 2. Step 32 is just to repeat this on the remaining layers. Layer 1 was for creating layer 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3 all the way up to 36 for 36. I know it can be tedious but I like the result. If you use layer 1 for each new layer your inside image will be stationary within the new cube. I hope this makes sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:57 pm  (#18) 
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Hi PhotoMaster
"I'm quite surprised that it gave you the cube without the Rubik's segments."

I discovered what I did.
Open an image > duplicate layer > make the first layer active > apply Rubik's Cube script to this first layer.
Thats it.
Interested if it works for others. :puzzled


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:39 pm  (#19) 
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A triple nested animation without the Rubik's segments. It follows PhotoMasters tutorial.
Removing the segments adds a few extra steps as I outlined above. Overall it doesn't make much difference.

PhotoMaster has made an excellent tutorial. I was making a mistake at step 28 and not pasting the layers
into the correct sequence. The keyboard combinations are pretty cool with memories of text editors like Vim.

I found it was best to untick 'resizing' on the dropshadow steps. Any resizing can be fixed quite easily.
I put no dropshadow on the outer cube.
I think the bug I found in the Rubik's script is actually a 'feature'. :bigthup


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:00 pm  (#20) 
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Tas_mania: if I ever get through Photomaster's cube without error's I'll ask for instructions on your forest cube. Really nice!


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:05 am  (#21) 
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Tas_mania: if I ever get through Photomaster's cube without error's I'll ask for instructions on your forest cube. Really nice!


Thanks PAT625. It's an exercise in concentration. :hehe At least you got a result. I was doubting PhotoMaster's tut
thinking there was a puzzle in it but it was just my inability to read instructions properly.

I have never been able to solve Rubiks cube either.


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:05 am  (#22) 
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Tas_mania that's great man, I dig your graphene in alcohol pattern as well.
I've spent a week at this, and even with PhotoMaster's kind and patient help, I can't get it. I know I'm misreading steps 15 - 34 somehow.
I'm renaming the layers 1- 36
following steps 17 - 24
then repeating 35 more times - each time I'm renaming the Rubiks cube layer (top layer after running script) 1, 2, 3, and so on, dragging, in turn onto previously saved image.
If any of you think you can help I would be most grateful. I'm determined to crack this one after spending so much time trying and trying. Thank you. :gaah

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:35 am  (#23) 
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RJKD said
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If any of you think you can help I would be most grateful.

The animation goes from the inner cube outwards. If you do it right you will take a revolving inner cube up to the next revolving cube which carries it and so on.
I was failing to copy-paste my layers into their right sequence. For example the copied layer 6 goes into the number six layer.
The copied number 7 does into the number 7 slot and so on. There is a lot of counting of keystrokes involved.

I was dragging/pasting all layers into the number 1 slot. When that happens the previous cube stops rotating.
This is like the original Rubiks cube - a test of people's patience and determination. Good luck. :clap


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:25 pm  (#24) 
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Sorry for the unannounced absence.

Tas_mania,
That came out sweet!! I need to try without the lines. Cool effect!

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:30 pm  (#25) 
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I just got a program to create video tutorials, so when I play with it I will try to make this into a video tutorial.

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:03 pm  (#26) 
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Hi PhotoMaster.
I modified the Rubik's Cube script by Graechan to not have segments.
This does not qualify as a new script because it's just a minor edit.

So people can use both scripts I called it 'No-Rubiks-Cube.scm' and uploaded here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByhCySqrqAmqSE1wVzhqbDFyNEU/view

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This is an experimental 'quad nested animation'. Optimized it's still 3.6Mb. I discovered that converting animated GIFs to WEBM
reduces them by a large amount. Not sure how to work with the webm format and it looks like the
gimp chat 'advanced editor' doesn't either :)


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:44 pm  (#27) 
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That quad nested animation is SWEET!

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:03 am  (#28) 
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Thanks for this idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:53 am  (#29) 
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This is not my easiest tutorial, but you learn a whole lot about layers!

For anyone who's gif file is too large, while in your finished xcf file, go to
Filters> Animation> Optimize for GIF
This will erase unneeded (duplicated) areas of some layers and give you a much smaller file with all the same data.

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 Post subject: Re: Triple Nested Animations (Updated)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:06 pm  (#30) 
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I finally finished my second attempt at the tripled nested cube and I hope there are no problems with it. I could not find any, so please let me know.
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