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 Post subject: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:14 am  (#1) 
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Exactly two months of my GC membership.
I've had a great time here and learned useful stuff from many.
Hopefully, GC members and guests find some of my work interesting too.

Made this animation in one go and it took me almost 3 hours - roughly 3 minutes per frame,
no plugins involved, all by hand... well, hearty Thanksgiving dinner with my family and few glasses of wine are also to blame :)

You need Firefox or Opera browser to see the animation. Google Chrome browser needs APNG extension installed


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P.S. Had to go with APNG format (after converting xcf to pngs, compressing and reassembling again finally managed to compress it under 5 MB).
Some quality is lost along the way. But it's the only way, because:
XCF file 36 MB,
APNG - 12.6 MB
optimized APNG 6.9 MB (still too big)
GIF - 1.6 MB and sickening quality.
SWF - 1.1 MB with superior quality but absolutely alien to GC file format.
Please, let me know if it's lagging in your browser. I'm using Chrome and it seems fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:22 am  (#2) 
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K1TesseraEna - Looks excellent, I wouldn't even know where to begin to create something like this. I'm using Firefox and it seems pretty smooth to me, maybe even a tad to fast.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:32 am  (#3) 
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Thank you, hearty. I set frame delays to 200 ms and it seems right in XnView. But you're right, here it looks faster, that's the thing with APNGs - you can't really control frame rate because it depends on something that is beyond me.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:49 am  (#4) 
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I'm using Chrome, it looks good and a Canadian flag too!
I agree it would be better at maybe 300 ms +.

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:32 am  (#5) 
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Wow that looks great Kit. I love the Canadian flag too. KUDOS

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:05 am  (#6) 
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Nicely done. E books should be like this with an interactive hand to turn the pages.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:12 am  (#7) 
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Thanks. The Canadian Flag Pin Badge was my first work posted here.
Here's the same animation with 300 ms frame delay as Odinbc suggested. Looks about right now. Thanks!
I use Apng Anime Maker to assemble animated png, because apng plugin for GIMP does not have that option
(it's default set to 30 fps - this animation contains 57 frames so it comes out really fast and you can't change it).

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:49 am  (#8) 
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That's really cool, works good on Waterfox, did you make that with just gimp
I wish all browsers would support apng, they look a lot better than gif
There's a few apng optimizers on this site
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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:53 am  (#9) 
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Chrome has a plugin for it that shows it just fine. Sure other browsers have similar plugins.

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:38 am  (#10) 
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k1te, that is wonderful. Lots of work and thought in that (maybe the wine helped? :hehe ).

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:39 am  (#11) 
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alc59 wrote:
That's really cool, works good on Waterfox, did you make that with just gimp
I wish all browsers would support apng, they look a lot better than gif
There's a few apng optimizers on this site
littlesvr


Thank you, alc. When I need more control over animation I'm using VirtualDub apng mode and APNG Anime Maker.
Otherwise, I use apng plugin for GIMP.
The GIF version of the same animation is just a disaster, even after using best color dithering methods and optimized color palette.
256 color space is a 1980's atavism when GIF was first introduced to the world.

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Chrome has a plugin for it that shows it just fine. Sure other browsers have similar plugins.


Full list of browsers supporting APNG in Wiki
Browser support isn't an issue with apng. The problem is that just a few websites with user-defined content support or allow this format,
mostly for content censoring reasons. When uploading apng servers can decode and 'see' first frame only, while other frames can contain
illegal stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:44 am  (#12) 
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Oregonian wrote:
k1te, that is wonderful. Lots of work and thought in that (maybe the wine helped? :hehe ).


Thank you, O!
Wine was definitely a part of inspiration process :hehe


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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:32 pm  (#13) 
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If anyone is wondering about support for apng and pretty well everything else to do with browsers.
http://caniuse.com/
http://caniuse.com/#feat=apng

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:34 pm  (#14) 
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k1tesseraena: that's amazing! to someone who really can't make even a simple gif animation it's awe-inspiring. finally the pages actually turn :).

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:38 pm  (#15) 
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AnMal wrote:
k1tesseraena: that's amazing! to someone who really can't make even a simple gif animation it's awe-inspiring. finally the pages actually turn :).


:tyspin AnMal. Of course you can make gif animations. Think of the layers as frames, simple as that. With your skillset - piece of cake!
Yeah, pages turn, but for some reason I don't like this animation any more. It was another impromptu thing. The only thing I like and
don't like at the same time - WHITE to 838382 bi-linear gradient applied to the pages. Like the way it worked out well from the first attempt,
don't like because it looks a bit too shiny, but it's just my opinion, which isn't always right.
Beside, now I can see the imperfections: the image along the page curl should be slightly distorted when the page is being turned
(it's doable but I gotta think about that). The whole perspective sucks. I need to make a view of an entire open book, pages making a full
turn with images on both sides. Sounds challenging but I love challenges ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:26 am  (#16) 
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^^All I can say is go for it and best of luck to you with that, It sounds far to complicated.

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 Post subject: Re: Turn the page v2 (after Draconian)
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:20 pm  (#17) 
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k1tesseraena: well, sooner or later i will have to try animation again, because i want to make one of draconian's indicator lights, but so far all my attempts at animation have been utter crap. good luck with the changes to the animation, but i agree with he4rty - it sounds way too complicated.

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