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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:48 pm  (#21) 
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MareroQ's idea makes me wonder if it could be -GMIC (i.e. put the hyphen at the start) since that is the basic way of calling any gmic command.


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:49 pm  (#22) 
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PS:in my last post I made reference to GC instead of Mareroq, sorry...

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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:17 pm  (#23) 
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Hi Dinasset - OK.
Poorly know English - thanks for the explanation of the difference.

PS.Composer - sounds good - but the lack of:
GMIC ... Still hoping for a filter Composer
http://www.gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5776&start=0

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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:25 pm  (#24) 
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Ronounours wrote:
I don't totally agree with that assertion. I agree that the G'MIC plug-in comes with a lot of apparently not documented filters. But on the contrary, there is a (huge) reference page with all available commands, with examples and small explanation for each command : http://gmic.sourceforge.net/reference.shtml
Yes, this is a quite "technical" documentation, but considering the project is not so old (mi-2008), and that writing documentation is a pain, it's not so surprising that the G'MIC plug-in for GIMP (which is only one specific interface of the G'MIC framework) doesn't have his own documentation page.
thanks for your elaborate reply, Rononours !

let me add one thing

currently there are 450 filters in my G'MIC
i think i can say i have above average experience with Gimp...
you know what ? i used under 20 of these filters in my whole Gimp history
why ? because i dont know what to use them for
and i dont think its great fun to try them all, step by step, as some coders suggest

yes there is this extensive documentation, you are talking about
i even have the pdf on my HD
and i dont understand a word of whats in there

maybe what is needed, is a bunch of tutorials that actually use G'MIC filters ?
i once saw an interesting youtube video by monsoonami
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVVlItASBoM)
he showed how to improve chrome text, and used the anisotropic smoothing filter
that was all good and still, i never used it again
there are way too many variables to choose from and im very much fiddling in the dark, which is just frustrating
so i googled in hope of some explanation, and all i could find was one explantion that wasnt very helpful

what does that even mean anisotropic ???

so yeah, there has to be a way, how to help people use G'MIC more


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:53 pm  (#25) 
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Esper, we are actually trying to set up wiki pages for the G'MIC project, and I believe that some artistic tutorials could be added there. The documentation being written at the moment is still quite technical, but there are some room for more 'artistic' documentation, and this is probably the kind of thing you would be happy to find, if I understood your message correctly :)

Maybe I'll post another subject specifically for it. But we are looking for contributors to the wiki pages, so feel free to look at what we've already done : https://sourceforge.net/p/gmic/wiki/Home/


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:22 pm  (#26) 
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Hi Ronounours,

G'MIC: as Graphical Modern Image Conversion :)

Yet, I do like as well the old acronym: G'MIC stands for GREYC's Magic Image Converter
Actually, IMHO, there is no real need to change it (no offence here...).

I have always had mixed feeling about changing the name of an open source software.
For instance, I have lost the count about the number of users who have proposed to change the name of Gimp to something more appealing over the past years.
The same applies to Kdenlive and so on and so forth.

In addition, I totally agree that adding yet another filter to the already quite impressive list of the Gimp plugin is a bit pointless: there are already hundreds of them right now...
However, I am 100% aware this is a quite controversial topic because it is extremely difficult to decide which new filter should be included or not...
All in all, G'mic is not so famous and widespread as to "force" the other developers to write some good documentation and tutorial in order to have their personal filters available with Gimp.
Especially, since they do this for free in their spare time :)

As regards users, for spreading the use of G'mic filters among them, naturally I totally agree the most important thing would be to have good step-by-step tutorials (e.g. Videos on YouTube).
Unfortunately, it takes QUITE a lot of time to produce them...
Please, do not get me wrong here: as the main maintainer of G'mic you should NOT be asked to do them yourself!
I would surely prefer to having you fixing bugs or improving G'mic...
it is surely much more rewarding for everyone :)

Regarding developers, I have no particular suggestion about the best way to spread the use of the G'mic script language among them...
For instance, for me, it would be very difficult to explain to someone else why he "should" use Python over Ruby etc...
When I was young (in the 70's), BASIC was very widespread. Now it is not used any longer.

To sum up, I am always surprised and amazed by G'mic (really!) altough I only use a small amount of the filters created through this script language...
All in all, I am VERY grateful for your contribution to the open source software.
You have made an incredible work all these past years!
In the end, I am always "surprised" all these filters are available for everyone for free :)

Best regards and keep rocking!

Silvio Grosso


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:16 am  (#27) 
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Thanks Silvio, interesting thoughts.
I'm starting to think that maybe there are actually more people willing to help the project than I was thinking. If enough people are interested, we can probably make the G'MIC project evolving in various directions in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:57 am  (#28) 
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I dont think it needs changing..all users know what it means


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:12 am  (#29) 
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Bingo I think so too. They are all cool but what is wrong with the way it is now

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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:27 am  (#30) 
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Definitely not the end of the world if it stays how it is! I was only mentioning it as a possible reason it gets overlooked by people searching for scientific image processing tools or libraries... when I see "magic image converter" I'm instantly thinking a program to turn .jpg into .png or something (which of course it can do as well!). It's totally obvious to anyone who's used the gimp plugin the types of things it can do but maybe not so obvious for someone who hasn't used it yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:53 am  (#31) 
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Thanks for all your proposals.
I've spent some time to think about it, and I've ended up with these two options that I like the most :

1. GREYC's Magics for Image Computing

or

2. GREYC's Magic Image Computing

'Image computing' is the name of the field that means 'Image processing with computers', so that fits perfectly for G'MIC, mainly because G'MIC also defines his own script language, which is a very computer-related stuff. There is even a journal in our field, named "Image and Vision Computing" (http://www.journals.elsevier.com/image- ... -computing). So that looks really close to what G'MIC does.

The two questions that remain are :

- Should I remove the 's' after 'GREYC's' ? (GREYC is the name of my research lab). Should I remove the ' too ? Which is the most grammatically correct way of writing it in English ?
- What should I choose between choices 1. and 2. ?

Thanks for your comments !


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:58 am  (#32) 
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i vote for option two, although im not a fan of the magic thing

the apostrophe should stay where it is, imo


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:35 am  (#33) 
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I vote option 1 (Magics for).
I'd like to see the "'s" removed (alias: GREYC instead of GREYC's), even if less grammatically correct

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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:43 am  (#34) 
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Only problem being that "Magics" isn't a word since magic has no plural. Even "computing" should probably be "computation" in that context, but I wouldn't like to bet on it. Option two looks OK though, the 's on greyc could be missed without being incorrect so it's your choice on that front (in fact it would look better removed I think).


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:28 am  (#35) 
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@Garagecoder : 'Image computing' is one particular field of image processing, and I think this is correct to write it as it is.
So, maybe :

GREYC' Magic for Image Computing

could be the final choice ?


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:52 am  (#36) 
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Yes that looks fine, not sure if the apostrophe on the end of GREYC is a mistake but it's not required anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:10 pm  (#37) 
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I'd like to keep the ' as it helps to disambiguate with other similar acronyms when doing a research on the web. Also if I had to remove it, it would really be a pain, since it is written like this in all the project files. Definitely don't want to modify it in all locations where it appears, if it is not mandatory :p


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:46 pm  (#38) 
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Ah right OK that explains it :)


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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:22 pm  (#39) 
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Who unknown G'MIC - his loss.
Regardless of the name - this is the best add-on for GIMP

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 Post subject: Re: Any idea for a new meaning for the G'MIC acronym ?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:06 pm  (#40) 
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I prefer the second one...GreyC's Magic Image Computing. It is shorter, more to the point, gives all the info with the least amount of words. I like simplicity, and it's also closer to the original name.


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