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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:46 am  (#1) 
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Spent about 5 minutes looking for gmic filter that I always thought was available in there (my mistake).
Then 2 more minutes to find online list of gmic filters just to find out that specified filter does not exist.

For crying out loud, is filter browser in GMIC or clickable link to that list a rocket science thing to implement?


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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:10 pm  (#2) 
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K1TesseraEna wrote:
Spent about 5 minutes looking for gmic filter that I always thought was available in there (my mistake).
Then 2 more minutes to find online list of gmic filters just to find out that specified filter does not exist.

For crying out loud, is filter browser in GMIC or clickable link to that list a rocket science thing to implement?


Because G'MIC updates are so frequent i do not believe there is a current available list that would be totally accurate. :)

Perhaps a sort of plugin browser within G'MIC code could be implemented?
Maybe attach it in it's own new HELP link in the main filter menu list?
Example you click HELP and the plugin browser for the filter menu list pops up. :) :bigthup
Could be updated with each new refresh of update1561.gmic file.

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:48 pm  (#3) 
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on the gmic site there are doc pages with a list of all effect and even before/after examples

The list correspond to what available for the command line version but not with the plugins

Most of filters included in gmic plugin are included but not all (not the contributed filter AFAIK )and viceversa are many commands only present in CL gmic but not available for the plugin (are all usable with the plugin but only if used with "local code" or global code" gmic option )

So the list is almost complete but tailored for command line users , anyway useful as reference

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:10 pm  (#4) 
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PhotoComix wrote:
on the gmic site there are doc pages with a list of all effect and even before/after examples

The list correspond to what available for the command line version but not with the plugins

Most of filters included in gmic plugin are included but not all (not the contributed filter AFAIK )and viceversa are many commands only present in CL gmic but not available for the plugin (are all usable with the plugin but only if used with "local code" or global code" gmic option )

So the list is almost complete but tailored for command line users , anyway useful as reference



:shock: things are even worse that I thought? :shock:

Rod wrote:

Because G'MIC updates are so frequent i do not believe there is a current available list that would be totally accurate. :)

could be updated with each new refresh of update1561.gmic file.


(optional) html documentation to get help in offline/online mode would be ideal.


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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:15 pm  (#5) 
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I too would like to see a simple filter search feature within G'MIC. It would make it much easier and faster to locate a specific filter.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:23 pm  (#6) 
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I think that would be a great idea. That is why I hardly ever use GMIC. It takes too long to find what I want. Do you think it is possible to write a script of this kind?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:30 pm  (#7) 
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molly wrote:
I think that would be a great idea. That is why I hardly ever use GMIC. It takes too long to find what I want. Do you think it is possible to write a script of this kind?


It is possible to write a scm that could be located in the Help menu in GIMP.
Probably just use ShellOut to open a Compiled HTML Help file or the like.
This link could open either an installed HTML file you could update yourself, OR an online HTML/CSS version of the list. But then it would have to be updated by the webpage owner. :)

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:01 pm  (#8) 
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I think the search feature should be part of the G'MIC interface and not require any external shellout or connection to a webpage. All that is needed is a simple search box in the G'MIC filter interface.

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:07 pm  (#9) 
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Dear David (i hope you read this when you're back from your summer break)

As i stated many times before i'm not using gmic everyday and not that familiar with gmic filters to navigate them blindfolded
(i don't think most people are, unless you're Lyle or PC - the walking gmic encyclopedias, lol)

I agree with molly, there is always hesitation on my part and some sort of reluctance to fire up gmic just because of that.
Other than that GMIC is a very potent and arguably the most useful 3rd party plugin in GIMP history.

Having said all that, I am very thankful for everything you've done, David. Also to other gmic contributors, thank you very much.


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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:08 pm  (#10) 
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GnuTux wrote:
I think the search feature should be part of the G'MIC interface and not require any external shellout or connection to a webpage. All that is needed is a simple search box in the G'MIC filter interface.


It would be nice to see that added yes but i am thinking more of a quick fix until this is implemented. :)
I can not find any HELP docs for GMIC anywhere, nor any manuals. perhaps one or more of us should write one?
Then i could upload that to my server and link to it from a script.
Also it may be possible to take a look at the C code for the browser help plugin for Gimp, and create a new one that can be compiled for G'MIC.

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:14 pm  (#11) 
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This was requested before but don't remember why David said no. Or was I just dreaming. lol

Feel your pain K1te; especially when David revamped the directory naming convention very recently. :)

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:26 pm  (#12) 
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lylejk wrote:
This was requested before but don't remember why David said no. Or was I just dreaming. lol


I think I have also participated in that discussion here in GimpChat. And if I remember correctly there was an old discussion on flikr about that.
Or maybe I'm dreaming the same as you :)

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:38 pm  (#13) 
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I believe it was MareroQ that brought it up last time. He actually created a file (word Document File), that contained all the filters in a tree list.
But you see you still have to update this yourself each time a filter or the tree was re designed. Better to have one person keep track of new filters and submit a new CSS file online that can be linked to a script in my opinion. If the filters always stayed the same i could see using an offline version, but this isn't the case for G'MIC. David is constantly updating filters. I don't mind creating the HTML/CSS part and uploading to my server and keeping track of it. Then a scm could call it from the help menu as a web link. Just until David decides to add a search feature of some sort to G'MICS interface. :)
I would like some help with the manual for each filter though. The filter tree will be very simple the manuals another story.

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:45 pm  (#14) 
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lylejk wrote:
This was requested before but don't remember why David said no. Or was I just dreaming. lol

Feel your pain K1te; especially when David revamped the directory naming convention very recently. :)



IIRC, David said no to the gmic internal filter search due to some technical issues, but i don't see how
html documentation and help could be a problem other than sacrificing time. And time is money (see the OP, lol)


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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 pm  (#15) 
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If I find a filter I like, I mark it as a favorite, that way it will always be on top of the list.


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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:21 pm  (#16) 
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Here is the html5 code i have so far. What do you guys think?
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I reserved the code for future linking to images or tutorials for certain filters if need be. :bigthup
Filter tree is also collapsible for easier reading. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:24 pm  (#17) 
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And the code so far.
<!doctype html>
<html>
<head>
<meta charset="UTF-8">
<title>Untitled Page</title>
<meta name="generator" content="GMIC Menu Tree - http://www.simplygimp.com">
<style type="text/css">
html, body
{
   height: 100%;
}
div#space
{
   width: 1px;
   height: 50%;
   margin-bottom: -384px;
   float:left
}
div#container
{
   width: 994px;
   height: 768px;
   margin: 0 auto;
   position: relative;
   clear: left;
}
body
{
   font-size: 8px;
   line-height: 1.1875;
   margin: 0;
   padding: 0;
   background-color: #FFFFFF;
   color: #000000;
}
</style>
<style type="text/css">
a
{
   color: #0000FF;
   text-decoration: underline;
}
a:visited
{
   color: #800080;
}
a:active
{
   color: #FF0000;
}
a:hover
{
   color: #0000FF;
   text-decoration: underline;
}
</style>
<style type="text/css">
#SlideMenu1 ul
{
   list-style: none;
   margin: 0;
   padding: 0;
   font-family: Arial;
   font-size: 13px;
}
#SlideMenu1 li
{
   cursor: pointer;
}
#SlideMenu1 li div
{
   margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px;
   padding: 2px 2px 2px 5px;
   background-color: #A0A0A0;
   border-style: solid;
   border-width: 1px;
   border-color: #A0A0A0;
   position: relative;
   left: 0;
   top: 0;
   width: 405px;
}
#SlideMenu1 li div:hover
{
   background-color: #666666;
   border-style: solid;
   border-width: 1px;
   border-color: #666666;
}
#SlideMenu1 li a
{
   color: #EEEEEE;
   font-weight: normal;
   text-decoration: none;
}
#SlideMenu1 li a:hover
{
   color: #EEEEEE;
   font-weight: normal;
   text-decoration: none;
}
#SlideMenu1 li li
{
   cursor: auto;
   padding: 2px 2px 2px 5px;
   margin: 1px 0px 1px 0px;
   background-color: #EEEEEE;
   border-style: solid;
   border-width: 1px;
   border-color: #C0C0C0;
}
#SlideMenu1 li li a
{
   color: #666666;
   font-weight: normal;
   text-decoration: none;
}
#SlideMenu1 li li:hover
{
   background-color: #C0C0C0;
   border-style: solid;
   border-width: 1px;
   border-color: #C0C0C0;
}
#SlideMenu1 li li a:hover
{
   color: #666666;
   font-weight: normal;
   text-decoration: none;
}
</style>
<script type="text/javascript" src="jquery-1.7.2.min.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript">
$(document).ready(function()
{
   $(".SlideMenu1_Folder div").click(function()
   {
      if ($(this).parent().find('ul').is(':hidden'))
      {
         $(this).parent().find('ul').show();
      }
      else
      {
         $(this).parent().find('ul').hide();
      }
   });
});
</script>
</head>
<body>
<div id="space"><br></div>
<div id="container">
<div id="SlideMenu1" style="position:absolute;left:260px;top:131px;width:414px;height:364px;z-index:0;">
<ul>
   <li class="SlideMenu1_Folder"><div><a>ABOUT</a></div><span><!-- empty --></span>
      <ul>
         <li><a href="./index.html">Contributers</a></li>
         <li><a href="./index.html">Filters design</a></li>
         <li><a href="./index.html">Filter-sources</a></li>
         <li><a href="./index.html">Friends Hall of Fame</a></li>
         <li><a href="./index.html">G'MIC for GIMP</a></li>
         <li><a href="./index.html">Gmicky / Roddy</a></li>
         <li><a href="./index.html">Release notes</a></li>
      </ul>
   </li>
</ul>
</div>
<div id="wb_TextArt1" style="position:absolute;left:269px;top:15px;width:392px;height:100px;z-index:1;">
<img src="images/img0001.png" id="TextArt1" alt="G&apos;MIC Menu Tree" title="G&apos;MIC Menu Tree" style="border-width:0;width:392px;height:100px;"></div>
</div>
</body>
</html>

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:40 pm  (#18) 
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Keep in mind these are all collapsible menus. I can also add a search bar to the menus onsite. :)
This will methodically look for any search word and show it in the menu list.

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 Post subject: Re: gmic filters search
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:21 am  (#19) 
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Dear all,
Just a few words about this problem (I'm still on vacations) : Having a search box in the current plug-in is something I don't want to do, mainly because :

1. The plug-in will be probably broken in a near future, as GEGL nodes are coming, and I don't think spending time on new features for the current interface is worth the effort.
My opinion is that the current G'MIC plug-in for GIMP will become obsolete shortly. I'd prefer to have something redesigned to work with GEGL instead.
(garagecoder and jayprich may give their opinions about this as well :)).

2. A correct search feature would imply the introduction of 'tags' in the different filters. Searching only for the filter name is probably useless : if you don't remember the location of the filters you are looking for, I don't see why you should remember their exact names. As a result, if we implement a search tool only for the filter name, it won't be so user-friendly and useful at all.
And by the way, introducing tags for filters requires a lot of work : not only for defining the tags for the 400+ filters available, but also to code the whole stuff.

3. And if we just think about finding a filter by its name, there is something simpler to do : open : http://gmic.sourceforge.net/gimp_filters.txt and do a search in it. This list is intended to be updated every hour (it is automatically generated by a script, even if it seems that the update is broken right now, I will check that when I return). I agree that this is not good-looking as it is, *but* this can be probably improved easily (by adding some html tags in the script output).

To sum up, I'm not a big fan of introducing a new search tool in the current plug-in interface. It will take a lot of time, and won't be more easy to use than opening the list with your browser and do a quick search in the filter list page.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:39 am  (#20) 
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Ronounours wrote:
Dear all,
Just a few words about this problem (I'm still on vacations) : Having a search box in the current plug-in is something I don't want to do, mainly because :

1. The plug-in will be probably broken in a near future, as GEGL nodes are coming, and I don't think spending time on new features for the current interface is worth the effort.
My opinion is that the current G'MIC plug-in for GIMP will become obsolete shortly. I'd prefer to have something redesigned to work with GEGL instead.
(garagecoder and jayprich may give their opinions about this as well :)).

2. A correct search feature would imply the introduction of 'tags' in the different filters. Searching only for the filter name is probably useless : if you don't remember the location of the filters you are looking for, I don't see why you should remember their exact names. As a result, if we implement a search tool only for the filter name, it won't be so user-friendly and useful at all.
And by the way, introducing tags for filters requires a lot of work : not only for defining the tags for the 400+ filters available, but also to code the whole stuff.

3. And if we just think about finding a filter by its name, there is something simpler to do : open : http://gmic.sourceforge.net/gimp_filters.txt and do a search in it. This list is intended to be updated every hour (it is automatically generated by a script, even if it seems that the update is broken right now, I will check that when I return). I agree that this is not good-looking as it is, *but* this can be probably improved easily (by adding some html tags in the script output).

To sum up, I'm not a big fan of introducing a new search tool in the current plug-in interface. It will take a lot of time, and won't be more easy to use than opening the list with your browser and do a quick search in the filter list page.

Hey David!
Thank you for finding time to reply.
Just a few afterthoughts.

1. Yes, GIMP is getting a new engine in 2.10 but a lot of people will still be using 2.8 ( because of GMIC for the most part)
or have both versions just like quite a lot of folks are still using 2.6 because it's more stable and has the tablet support that is not broken.

So I can envision GMIC, even in its current state, to stick around for many many years to come. It will become obsolete
only when YOU will make it obsolete by porting plugin to GEGL.

2. I can refer to the GIMP plugin browser as an example: i don't have to remember the exact name of a script or plugin,
I just type in what I need to do with my image, for example, "pixelate" or "sharpen" and all related plugins show up.

3. OK, I wasn't really insisting on GMIC internal search engine. The list can be generated by the script as a text file stored in gmic folder (for offline cases),
html tags for wiki help, filter index, tutorials etc. are things to consider.


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