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 Post subject: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:03 pm  (#1) 
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Im talking about this superb goldtext, Wallace posted in the Christmas post:
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Im fascinated how good it looks and the many shades it has (like green and dark red, and a desaturated orange)

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So far i've been able to locate the font and what i think is the base colour.

You can download the font here:
https://www.dafont.com/de/font-comment. ... text=Merry

and the yellow base colour is probably something like: #fcff01.

Wallace said he used a script-fu: bevel and colourcurves to get the many shades of the highlights and shadows, but im struggling with recreating it, because i dont know what colours he started with.

@Wallace: do you remember what colours you used for the shadow and highlights ? Any special surface or gloss contours ?
Whats your usual workflow with curves ? Do you make curvy adjustments or just drag the start and endpoints up and down ?


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:10 pm  (#2) 
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Konstantin wrote:
Im talking about this superb goldtext, Wallace posted in the Christmas post:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16057&start=100

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Im fascinated how good it looks and the many shades it has (like green and dark red, and a desaturated orange)

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So far i've been able to locate the font and what i think is the base colour.

You can download the font here:
https://www.dafont.com/de/font-comment. ... text=Merry

and the yellow base colour is probably something like: #fcff01.

Wallace said he used a script-fu: bevel and colourcurves to get the many shades of the highlights and shadows, but im struggling with recreating it, because i dont know what colours he started with.

@Wallace: do you remember what colours you used for the shadow and highlights ? Any special surface or gloss contours ?
Whats your usual workflow with curves ? Do you make curvy adjustments or just drag the start and endpoints up and down ?

The font was ballantines-script-ef-bold.ttf.

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I believe I used this gradient on the text.

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I honestly can't remember what color I used,
or if I just used the colorize filter.
I did run color curver on it and the script-fu-layerfx-bevel-emboss (inner bevel),
using the default settings.
I did it very quickly and wasn't thinking about reproducing it.
However,
using a gradient helps to make it look more like metal,
when color curves it applied.

Sorry I can't offer any more info,
but it was a quickie that I whipped up on the spur-of-the-moment.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:37 pm  (#3) 
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Thanks Wallace !

Wallace wrote:
Sorry I can't offer any more info,
but it was a quickie that I whipped up on the spur-of-the-moment.

I've been there. These happy accidents can be the best :)

Wallace wrote:
The font was ballantines-script-ef-bold.ttf.

Your version is slightly stretched, but 'Birds Of Paradise' is based on 'Ballantines'. You can read it up in the font comments on dafont.

Wallace wrote:
I did run color curver on it and the script-fu-layerfx-bevel-emboss (inner bevel), using the default settings.

Thats good to know for a start !


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:14 am  (#4) 
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There is a base workflow,
which can help in creating metallic looking text.

It involves the use of gradients,
much like the gradient I posted.

There's also the use of Gaussian Blur on the gradient.

Most important is the use of Color Curves,
to give that metal like appearance to the text.

The colors use in the gradient seem to go from a dark gray to a light gray.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:42 am  (#5) 
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@Wallace:

im familiar with chrome curves.
Thanks for the screenhots. Very helpful !

Do you think you started your goldtext with a gradient, like the silver one ?
Or is it more probable that you started with some kind of plain light grey, applied the bevel and then Colourised ?

Or did you start with yellow text and applied a greyscale bevel, modified by individual colourcurves (red, green, blue).

I understand the concepts you use, but im unable to arrive at something that looks as good as yours.

(sorry to be so picky, but super curious, lol)


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:20 am  (#6) 
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Konstantin wrote:
@Wallace:

im familiar with chrome curves.
Thanks for the screenhots. Very helpful !

Do you think you started your goldtext with a gradient, like the silver one ?
Or is it more probable that you started with some kind of plain light grey, applied the bevel and then Colourised ?

Or did you start with yellow text and applied a greyscale bevel, modified by individual colourcurves (red, green, blue).

I understand the concepts you use, but im unable to arrive at something that looks as good as yours.

(sorry to be so picky, but super curious, lol)


The christmas text I created was no accident.
There is a known workflow for creating metallic text.


The above images were made with a dark dray to light gray gradient.
The bevel and emboss script us run on it and then blurred.
The color curves was then applied.
Then I used the colorize filter.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:29 am  (#7) 
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Im familiar with chrome curves, but it doesnt solve the problem how to get from chrome to gold.


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:36 am  (#8) 
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Konstantin wrote:
Im familiar with chrome curves, but it doesnt solve the problem how to get from chrome to gold.

I can't remember if I colorized it before or after I applied the color curve.
I may have also applied color curves more then once,
but I don't recall.

I've made lots of gold text before,
just never thought anyone was interested.

It's all in the applied color curve and gradient used,
for the most part.

It seems to make more sense to have done the color curves when it was colored,
but I can't recall if I did it that way.

I often create the metallic text in grayscale and then add color to it afterwards.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:54 am  (#9) 
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Maybe im overthinking the whole thing.

Heres my workflow:
type text in #808080 grey (ballantines 160px)
bevel (with merge down) (Depth 10, Size: 3)
lock alpha channel and blur the bevel slightly (3px)
apply chrome curves
Colourise
apply more curves (Value)

The result is okay, but not as epic as yours...too much black, not many shades, no subtle greens and oranges, wrong goldcolour, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:22 am  (#10) 
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this ones a bit better, but i wish there was a more reliable and reproducable workflow, especially when it comes to the colourising step

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:24 am  (#11) 
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Konstantin wrote:
Maybe im overthinking the whole thing.

Heres my workflow:
type text in #808080 grey (ballantines 160px)
bevel (with merge down) (Depth 10, Size: 3)
lock alpha channel and blur the bevel slightly (3px)
apply chrome curves
Colourise
apply more curves (Value)

The result is okay, but not as epic as yours...too much black, not many shades, no subtle greens and oranges, wrong goldcolour, etc.

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Nice!

Varying the gradient (gray) colors and using a Gaussian blur
can produce different outcomes,
when the color curves are applied.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:39 am  (#12) 
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Konstantin wrote:
this ones a bit better, but i wish there was a more reliable and reproducable workflow, especially when it comes to the colourising step

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You could try using these scripts,
which can use a predefined environment map,
to create gold text.

ML Bevel Reflect

Bevel Reflect Logo

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The e-map image below,
is what was used to make the text above.


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:43 am  (#13) 
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Wallace wrote:
You could try using these scripts,
which can use a predefined environment map,
to create gold text.


Not a fan of this effect, im afraid. A lot of the outcomes look kind of tacky, and you need an environmentmap for every colorvariation.

I want the goldtext you made, lol


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:45 am  (#14) 
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Konstantin wrote:
Wallace wrote:
You could try using these scripts,
which can use a predefined environment map,
to create gold text.


Not a fan of this effect, im afraid. A lot of the outcomes look kind of tacky, and you need an environmentmap for every colorvariation.

I want the goldtext you made, lol

You can also use a predefined gradient as well,
not just an environment map.

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:47 am  (#15) 
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I like your technique of colourising grayscale text, i just need to find a way to optimise some of the steps.

These scripts with three hundred sliders and esoteric fuctions are not my thing.


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:00 am  (#16) 
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Konstantin wrote:
I like your technique of colourising grayscale text, i just need to find a way to optimise some of the steps.

These scripts with three hundred sliders and esoteric fuctions are not my thing.

The scripts I mentioned are not "esoteric".
They're well thought out and can work very quickly using the default settings.
They're a good alternitive,
to use in a pinch.

This text was made very quickly,
using Bevel Reflect Logo and a predefined gradient,
with color curves applied to it.


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:32 am  (#17) 
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Wallace wrote:
The scripts I mentioned are not "esoteric".

You misunderstand.


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:39 am  (#18) 
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Konstantin wrote:
Wallace wrote:
The scripts I mentioned are not "esoteric".

You misunderstand.

Sorry,
can you explain?

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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:17 am  (#19) 
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I have been reading GC a lot longer than i am a member.
So i have tried all these plug-ins in the past. When they were created.
Same with the lighing effects which code is embedded in those plug-ins.

Its not that im intimidated or think its too complicated to use, i just dont like the result and the way those plug-ins were programmed.

I like the kind of goldtext you made, which is linked to the method you used, which we are discussing in this thread. :bigthup


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 Post subject: Re: help me recreate Wallace' goldtext
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:31 am  (#20) 
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Konstantin wrote:
I have been reading GC a lot longer than i am a member.
So i have tried all these plug-ins in the past. When they were created.
Same with the lighing effects which code is embedded in those plug-ins.

Its not that im intimidated or think its too complicated to use, i just dont like the result and the way those plug-ins were programmed.

I like the kind of goldtext you made, which is linked to the method you used, which we are discussing in this thread. :bigthup

Okay,
no problem.

As we already mentioned,
it's the gradient,
along with color curves which helps make the effect happen.

I do this almost instinctively most times,
when I want to make metallic text.

Sometimes I do it in grayscale and other times in RGB.
The gradient used,
will oftentimes dictate the resulting color curve.

I also use paths,
made from the text to help give more depth to this.
By adding an outline behind the text.

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