Ah, come on Rod/Molly. Join the fun. I was getting to be like you and give up on the whole idea of 64-bit GIMP 2.8, but Graechan gave me the motivation to get my hands dirty as soon as he found how to get Mathmap to work. From there, I got into the meat and thanks to folk like MareroQ and Onkel Hatti, got nearly all the bugs out of 2.8 64-bit (at least for me). Even, on my own, figured out how to get LqR to work. It's fun to troubleshoot since you get more insight into the meat of how things work when you do and that helps later in figuring things out for other GIMPy issues, so now, I'm glad I got off my hessitation and delved in, since now, I have a pretty much fully function 64-bit GIMP with all the bells and whistles that I wanted. Also, GIMP 2.8 has yet to freeze on me; that's the most important issue of all. Since it's 64-bit, I can now easily handle huge file size files too. One more benifit; it launches about 3 times faster then my GIMP 2.6x 32-bit version of GIMP (no more coffee breaks for me unfortunately because of that; lol). It's been, so far, a fun adventure. Do look forward to the updates that will later get released of course, but now I'm glad I didn't have to wait. Only real question is why they had so many issues when these issues weren't there with the latest 2.7x beta? Oh well.