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 Post subject: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:56 am  (#1) 
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EDIT 10/22/2012

Updated the 64bit version
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If you are using one of my customized builds (from https://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-packagers/files/ )and you have any problem or question please report here.

I uploaded the last updated versions yesterday, be sure to get the latest were a lot of improvements and cleaning up.

Actually i am quite satisfied with the binary , it is almost exactly as i wished i just hope in a friendly installer to complete the project
(in this case a installer is not needed to install ,but may help for the initial setup )

What is still badly missed is the documentation and even all the credit and links for the various scripts, plugins, and addons included ..and a more complete presentation

About the source code

This was build over the last portable version from Samj
respect that is no any relevant change in the source code, the only differences is almost too trivial to be mentioned :
in the 6 bundled plugins with a hardcoded preview , the hardcoded value was raised from 100x100 or for the bigger 150x100 to 600x400.

Anyway ask here any question..i the while i will try to prepare a better documentation and presentation

I like much that this a Gimp may run in 2 modes, 1 with only the very essential so faster to load with cleaner and more simple menu, but complete and with everything working out of the box
..and another 1 obviously slower to load because empowered with the best plugins and script , presets and addon

And everything is arranged to allow the users to create a third mode their own configuration, there is even a folder (pref_1) ready for that ...

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:13 pm  (#2) 
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Need help as the only way I can get either build to function properly without errors is to transfer photocomix files to the pref1 directory else when using Gurn or refreshing brushes, patterns or gradients an error occurs

The error message

You have a writable data folder configured, but this folder is not part of your data search path.
You probably edited the gimprc file manually, please fix it in the Preferences dialog's 'Folders' section.

My prferances for brushes now is as below

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My pref1/brushes file looks as below

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I have done same for all preferences and folders

To start the gimp I select C:\Users\user\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\_Start_Gimp-NoExtra.bat

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:33 pm  (#3) 
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nice you wrote also here , more useful i don't see reasons why debate this on PM

About the writable folder, that seems a regression i remember i already fixed in a previous version , not sure why was this regression but i may fix it

About all the others observation on the gimprc file "to fix":
may be not obvious but in case would be the photocomix.ini or the marenguin.ini file to fix because for what regard the addon folders the setting of the ini files overide that of the gimprc

In more simple words if you want add, or modify addon or you use the current folders structure or you should modify the ini file to reflect the new structure

Try to modify instead the gimprc files would not solve, at least for sure not if gimp will be moved, to be sure it works the content of the gimprc file should coincide with the ini file (again this for the addon folder ) if not coincide would be the ini file setting to be used.

Cleared well now that you bring my attentionon the fimprc i remember i was a bit perplex ...to modify i preferences i had to do edit manually the "global" (as you know there are 2 gimprc files in gimp) gimprc file because any edit of the other one was ignored or worked only for the time of the session.

That i found quite strange but i didn't investigate much, i was hoping was a bug 2.8.2 to be fixed in a future version

So to summarize new version will be out tomorrow and i already fixed the ini files (and the relative gimprc--but again in this version you should remember that the gimprc settings should be the same of the ini file or risk to be ignored



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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:58 am  (#4) 
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Thanks for your reply PhotoComix as you know in a PM I cannot post images and images can sometimes tell more than a thousand words.

I was also surprised to note that in the plugins and scripts folders, I only needed to specify the path to the main folder and it installed all the files in the sub folders as in the brushes folders above, so long as I removed the preinstalled sub-folder. Maybe you can set the path as

C:\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\PhotoComix\plug-ins\_preinstalled and it would pickup all the files

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:10 am  (#5) 
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Sorry for the very late reply i am quite chotic moment, leaving from Berlin with baggages still to finish problems to with dates and tickets and even more problems to connect to the web in the while

Anyway
1 the absences of a writable folder seems a regression i am sure to have fixed in a previous version , i will fix again for the incoming

For the rest of your observation and problem with the gimprc file: not obvious but important to know :
for changes in the preferences for the addon folders is the ini file (so photocomix.ini file when running in "PC_lab"mode), to rule not the gimprc.

Any change for that folder should be reflected in the ini file..., modify the ini file automatically changes preferences used but alas not vice versa

So basically till you use the already present folders should be no problems but to change that also the ini file should be modified

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:51 pm  (#6) 
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PhotoComix have you updated your files on sourceforge yet

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:54 am  (#7) 
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Sorry not yet and i may have problem to do before this saturday/sunday .
(Saturday i will be in Berlin ,from that on will be fine but now i am in a chaos for baggage tickets and alike )

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:03 am  (#8) 
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And btw that gimprc file is giving me headaches... basically there is something that make for users complex change successfully preferences (often new pref seems apllied only temporary and still i have no clear why ad how to solve )

EDIT 18/10
I will be back online from sunday evening, also to upload the last 64/32bits releases

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:13 pm  (#9) 
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UPDATED the 64 bit version

@ Graechan
Could you check if now the addon folders have now writable folders (they should but i need a confirm from someone running a different computer )

For the 32 bit version i plan to update after dinner (a few hours)

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Still zipped, but installers are coming soon

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:37 pm  (#10) 
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PhotoComix this same error comes up when refreshing. :gaah


You have a writable data folder configured, but this folder is not part of your data search path. You probably edited the gimprc file manually, please fix it in the Preferences dialog's 'Folders' section.

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:00 am  (#11) 
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OK i will try to fix now but is more complex of what may seems.

you need specified writable data folder(s) ? Which ?

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:07 am  (#12) 
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@Graechan

i know you already did but i need the more details possible to solve this problem with the writable folder(s), and maybe i would need some help from Samj

As i said unfortunately is not something i may change from Prefrences because this kind of preferences are stored in the user gimprc file as absolute paths...so unusable.

so i have to modify or the other gimprc file or more luckily the ini files but anyway to do i should have clear the paths i must add

If i remember well (some of) yours scripts need those writable folders...which folders (i.e name is relevant ?)and where (?)
..sorry to ask again but i want fix once for all :yes

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:53 pm  (#13) 
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My problem is that when I refresh 'brushes' 'patterns' or 'gradients' I get this error

  GIMP Error
Failed to save data:

You have a writable data folder configured, but this folder is not part of your data search path. You probably edited the gimprc file manually, please fix it in the Preferences dialog's 'Folders' section.

This was with a defalt PC-LAB install, and it could only be resolved by changing the files to the No-Extras path.

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:53 am  (#14) 
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OK i may try to add a writable path to to there

My laptop has againproblems , as now i can only use Linux and i must reformat all the Windows partition (i just get a blue screen of death if trying to use Win ) so i can do nothing before get back to Rome (there i have the restore CD , not going to pay them again )

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:48 pm  (#15) 
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I changed the preferences to show a writable path for the ready for more folder and that updated the photoComix/gimprc file, thats OK now no errors when refreshing

What the PhotoComix/gimprc file now looks like for patterns

(pattern-path "C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\share\\gimp\\2.0\\patterns;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\Carbon;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\LibreOffice_ patterns;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\Ready_4_More;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\various;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\bling-dependency;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\GPS;C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\dbb-subtle-patterns")
(pattern-path-writable "C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\Ready_4_More")
This leaves me with the mathmap files and their unusual location also what is escher egg,I like the filter but it has problems E.g. it's location

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:23 am  (#16) 
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well at soon i restore the cursed win partition i may try to set a writable folder as you did

Try because as you may have noticed that gimprc files use absolute path as"C:\\GIMP-PC_Lab-2.8.2-32bits\\PhotoComix\\patterns\\_Preinstalled\\Ready_4_More")"

And that will work only if gimp is installed directly in C (and if the main drive is called C )

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:09 pm  (#17) 
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Shouldn't the PhotoComix.ini file set the writeable folder somewhere if not what does as none were set.

I have the PCLAB on 'C' and 'F' drives and the results are the same, i,e nothing is setting up the writable paths on the initial start up

As for mathmap, him funny fella,

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:24 pm  (#18) 
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Hi Photocomix,

I just have discovered your Photocomix Lab, what I looking for since much time, It's not exactly what I consider as perfect version of Gimp but it's very near of it, probably because I still have not mastered all elements of installation and I don't know most of the extensions that are added to Gimp.

It is a real pleasure to have all the possibilities Gimp and focus on their use without wasting time to understand how to install these extensions.
I thank you for the initiative Photocomix !

Now I would like some explanations on use of Photocomix Lab, sorry by advance if some questions may seem naive, but I'm far from an expert on the subject.
I have downloaded and tested both versions, 32 bit at work and 64 bits at home.

1) I note that this version has no installer, so it's a portable version ?
If yes, is it stable than a version installed ?

2) Why the 32 bit has a bat file to start and an exe file for the 64 bit ?

3) I didn't see Fx-Foundry filters, it's one that I use often ? It is not interesting ? Or may be exceeded ?

4) How are managed the updates of the extensions already installed in Photocomix Lab ?
For example G'MIC is regularly improved with new versions and an installer to use at each time.

5) I saw that 32 bit has the plugin "Word Art" but not 64.
Inversely 64 bit has the plugin "FreeType" but not 32.
Is there a problem of compatibility between 32 and 64 bit for some add-ons ?
Or maybe it's linked as explained on this topic to a next update ? Have you a idea of the date for the next update ?

6) I understand that there PSPI and Gurm indicated in the presentation file? But I have not seen.
I believe that PSPI allow to run photoshop plug-in filters in Gimp, but Shell-out is maybe now enough to do it ?

7) The folder "pref_1" serves to the user for his own installation, but did not he risk of conflict, for example, if I would like to add a plugin or script that is already present in another folder but that I have not seen, this can happen with a beginner like me.
It would be very valuable to have the full list of plugins, scripts, and presets addon integrated.

8) Is it possible to re-arrange the menus ? eg filters whose display is a bit too long for my work computer, I cannot see all of the filters without having to scroll them.

I hope I was clear :)


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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:17 am  (#19) 
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steeno wrote:
Hi Photocomix,

I just have discovered your Photocomix Lab, what I looking for since much time, It's not exactly what I consider as perfect version of Gimp but it's very near of it, probably because I still have not mastered all elements of installation and I don't know most of the extensions that are added to Gimp.

It is a real pleasure to have all the possibilities Gimp and focus on their use without wasting time to understand how to install these extensions.
I thank you for the initiative Photocomix !

Now I would like some explanations on use of Photocomix Lab, sorry by advance if some questions may seem naive, but I'm far from an expert on the subject.
I have downloaded and tested both versions, 32 bit at work and 64 bits at home.

1) I note that this version has no installer, so it's a portable version ?
If yes, is it stable than a version installed ?


yes is portable you only have to take care to place on a path without blanc spaces in the name
(so C, D, F are fine , while C:/Documents and Settings , or C Program Files may create problem for the 2 blanc spaces and the last also because VIsta and 7 place a sort of lock on Program Files
(Making everything not editable that will block some function (as edit or create brushes)

2) Why the 32 bit has a bat file to start and an exe file for the 64 bit ?

Just because i would not know how to associate icon to a bat file
I may do the same for 32 bit, basically the exe are just compiled bat file

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3) I didn't see Fx-Foundry filters, it's one that I use often ? It is not interesting ? Or may be exceeded ?


It was intentional first i don't like added menu, then Fx Foundry rename the filters making hard spot clones and duplicates, and last the pack was not updated so many scripts are not in the last version.

Many of the script also in a fx foundry pack are included but in the original author version and are more updated



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4) How are managed the updates of the extensions already installed in Photocomix Lab ?
For example G'MIC is regularly improved with new versions and an installer to use at each time
.


Just explore the Photocomix folder, there are all the extra script and plugin, actually are almost all updated (except gmic that was just released) anyway to update you may just replace the files there

I also grouped the script/plugin to make easier search and update.
(

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5) I saw that 32 bit has the plugin "Word Art" but not 64.
Inversely 64 bit has the plugin "FreeType" but not 32.
Is there a problem of compatibility between 32 and 64 bit for some add-ons ?
Or maybe it's linked as explained on this topic to a next update ? Have you a idea of the date for the next update ?


Yes but usually easy to solve, the 32bit version may run only 32bit plugin
The 64 may run both but may be better kept then separated (in gimp 64 bit there is a "32" folder for that) to avoid conflict between dll with same name, but needed in 2 version , at 64 bit and 32


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6) I understand that there PSPI and Gurm indicated in the presentation file? But I have not seen.
I believe that PSPI allow to run photoshop plug-in filters in Gimp, but Shell-out is maybe now enough to do it ?


I could not include PSPI for a license problem
It is licit add it but not distribute a version of gimp with pspi included

About gurm i don't include because i was not sure how to make it work when gimp was used as portable :
if moved all the gurm set up has to be redone

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7) The folder "pref_1" serves to the user for his own installation, but did not he risk of conflict, for example, if I would like to add a plugin or script that is already present in another folder but that I have not seen, this can happen with a beginner like me.
It would be very valuable to have the full list of plugins, scripts, and presets addon integrated.


I had suggestion to remove that folder
Anyway as i said all extra are in the photocomix folder
Yes a full list will be useful but i just have problem for the documentation
(I always hope in some help for it )




8) Is it possible to re-arrange the menus ? eg filters whose display is a bit too long for my work computer, I cannot see all of the filters without having to scroll them.

I hope I was clear :)[/quote]

This should not happen i suspect you have some problem with the screen size setting

Most computers detect well automatically the screen size, but the intere screen size.
Alas not all detect correctly the "working" screen size (i.e. screen size less the place used by the taskbar ) .
Seldom apps use all the screen size so is seldom a problem
but some gimp scripts use all the screen size and so they may extend behind the taskbar and what behind can't be clicked

if that you have to control and correct the screen setting in My Computers (or use a workaround as move laterally the taskbar )

Let me know if my reply is sufficently clear

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 Post subject: Re: Ask here help for GIMP_PhotoComix_Lab -2.8 (32 or 64bit )
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:59 pm  (#20) 
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Thank you Photocomix to have taken time for my questions.
It's more clear now, except for the workaround about taskbar and the update of Gmic which seems upgrade my installed Gimp, and not Gimp Photocomix Lab, I don't know what I have do wrong.

If you need help for presentation I can participate with pleasure. I don't know if I will able to give a big help but you can count on me.


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