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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:58 am  (#61) 
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I was Mahvin...thanks for clarifying that..and my pms dont appear to be working right atm either so I'm about to do the womanly thing
and cry!! LOL
If you use
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to start Gimp, what do you get?

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:58 am  (#62) 
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Python is part of the mac OS but you ought to be able to install python scripts and have them working and mine are installed in the correct place


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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:02 am  (#63) 
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is there a problem with the forum at the moment because everything I post is giving my gyp! pm's sitting in my inbox....each post I submit is giving me trouble


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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:07 am  (#64) 
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It says you don't have gimpfu, or it can't be found. So...wow, do you ever recall GIMP asking if you wanted Python to be installed, when you installed GIMP?

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:38 am  (#65) 
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ofnuts wrote:
Another thought that crosses my mind: there are currently two distinct "position" controls (Sine/cosine and side A/B). Would it be more practical to have one single option? If so, how would you call the different choices?
  • 1, 2, 3, 4?
  • A, B, C, D?
  • 0, 90, 180, 270?
  • +sine, +cosine, -sine, -cosine?
  • other?
And how would you label the option: "Position"? "Phase"? "Shift"? "Offset"?

My choice would be the "Offset angle" or "Phase shift" (0, 90, 180, 270).

The +/- sine/cosine references aren't as obvious to a non-mathematically oriented user. (I've done a lot of math and I had to pause to think about what they meant in this context.)

The other choices would require descriptive text, and that text would probably boil down to the phase shift or offset angle.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:45 am  (#66) 
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akky wrote:
Python is part of the mac OS but you ought to be able to install python scripts and have them working and mine are installed in the correct place

A while back there was a discussion about the version of Python needed for GIMP.

If I recall correctly, GIMP requires an older version of Python (2.6) and I won't work with the current version.

Again, if I remember correctly, the solution was to install the older 2.6 version of Python.

You might want to do a forum search for Python version.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:22 am  (#67) 
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I have all my python scripts working except this one even the new 01 version will not work on my Gimp-2.6.11.
But oddly enough they work with python 2.7 in Gimp-2.7.3 :)
Example
image from 2.7.3
Image

In Gimp-2.6.11 the path filter doesn't even show in the menu.
Hrmmm i am beginning to wonder if this is a conflict of some sorts.I only have 5 python scripts running in this Gimp-2.6.11 version on my laptop, as my other pc is still down.They are
Image

Anyone else having problems with the script have any of these in their plug-ins folder?
I wonder if moving the dll file to system would be a solution?

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:37 am  (#68) 
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ofnuts wrote:
Another thought that crosses my mind: there are currently two distinct "position" controls (Sine/cosine and side A/B). Would it be more practical to have one single option? If so, how would you call the different choices?
  • 1, 2, 3, 4?
  • A, B, C, D?
  • 0, 90, 180, 270?
  • +sine, +cosine, -sine, -cosine?
  • other?
And how would you label the option: "Position"? "Phase"? "Shift"? "Offset"?

can these labels be more descriptive so I have a clue what they mean?

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:33 am  (#69) 
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cecilia wrote:
ofnuts wrote:
Another thought that crosses my mind: there are currently two distinct "position" controls (Sine/cosine and side A/B). Would it be more practical to have one single option? If so, how would you call the different choices?
  • 1, 2, 3, 4?
  • A, B, C, D?
  • 0, 90, 180, 270?
  • +sine, +cosine, -sine, -cosine?
  • other?
And how would you label the option: "Position"? "Phase"? "Shift"? "Offset"?

can these labels be more descriptive so I have a clue what they mean?

:tyspin


As near as I can determine this is what each setting does:

Pitch - Determines how wide the shape is

Width - How far the shape sticks out from the path

Asymmetry - Varies with the shape used. Triangles slant, squares get wider, circles change. Don't know the rest.

Sine, Cosine - determines the position of the shape along the path.

If I were renaming those:

I'd call the Pitch, Width of shape.

The Width, Length of shape

Asymmetry I'd leave Asymmetry

Sine, Cosine ... since they determine the positioning along the path, I don't know what I'd call them. Leave them as is, I guess.

Split top and bottom splits the path of the shape into two paths. Here's a demo of the splitting of a square.
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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:36 am  (#70) 
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Rod wrote:
Anyone else having problems with the script have any of these in their plug-ins folder?
I wonder if moving the dll file to system would be a solution?

Rod,
I have Windows XP, SP3.
The only "plugin.dll" I have is buried in the system folders for Shockwave.
I do not have "Msvcrt10.dll" on my system. Lots of "msvcrt.dll" copies in the Windows system folders and for Java, but no "msvcrt10.dll".

Here is a screen shot of my USER plug-in folder
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hope that helps.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:44 am  (#71) 
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Oregonian wrote:
If I were renaming those:
I'd call the Pitch, Width of shape.
The Width, Length of shape

I also find the terms Pitch and Width confusing. They are more like the terms you'd see for the measurement of screw threads. (Machinist terms)

My vote would be to call:
Pitch => Period of the shape (or Width)
Width => Amplitude (or Height)
These terms are more in keeping with the standard terms used to describe waveforms. (I've analyzed a lot of waveforms in my life.)

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:52 am  (#72) 
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I also find the terms Pitch and Width confusing. They are more like the terms you'd see for the measurement of screw threads. (Machinist terms)

My vote would be to call:
Pitch => Period of the shape (or Width)
Width => Amplitude (or Height)
These terms are more in keeping with the standard terms used to describe waveforms. (I've analyzed a lot of waveforms in my life.)


I like Height for Width.

I think Width and Height are better. The terms Period and Amplitude can be confusing for some but I think they'd be better than the terms that are in the dialog at present.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:18 am  (#73) 
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I agree with ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:28 am  (#74) 
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Rod wrote:
I have all my python scripts working except this one even the new 01 version will not work on my Gimp-2.6.11.
But oddly enough they work with python 2.7 in Gimp-2.7.3 :)
Example
image from 2.7.3
Image

In Gimp-2.6.11 the path filter doesn't even show in the menu.
Hrmmm i am beginning to wonder if this is a conflict of some sorts.I only have 5 python scripts running in this Gimp-2.6.11 version on my laptop, as my other pc is still down.They are
Image

Anyone else having problems with the script have any of these in their plug-ins folder?
I wonder if moving the dll file to system would be a solution?


The only two reasons I have even seen for a script to not show up in the menu are:
- conflict of name with an existing one (but that means that you have other scripts registering as
"path-periodic-triangle-wave" et al (and registering the 4 of them!)
- a syntax error in the script (due to $deity knows why, from incompatible Python version to
indentation error after an editor hosed the original indentation in the Python file).

Both cases produce meaningful messages in the console during Gimp startup, so start "gimp-console" (or the equivalent on your system) and see what it says during startup.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:32 am  (#75) 
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Oregonian wrote:
I think Width and Height are better. The terms Period and Amplitude can be confusing for some but I think they'd be better than the terms that are in the dialog at present.

Good point. Period and Amplitude are technical terms.

I think Width and Height are good alternatives. I'd be happy with them.

Also, Width and Height are common terms within Gimp so people already have an understanding of them.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:38 am  (#76) 
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Oregonian wrote:
bkh1914 wrote:
I also find the terms Pitch and Width confusing. They are more like the terms you'd see for the measurement of screw threads. (Machinist terms)

My vote would be to call:
Pitch => Period of the shape (or Width)
Width => Amplitude (or Height)
These terms are more in keeping with the standard terms used to describe waveforms. (I've analyzed a lot of waveforms in my life.)


I like Height for Width.

I think Width and Height are better. The terms Period and Amplitude can be confusing for some but I think they'd be better than the terms that are in the dialog at present.

"Period" I would agree with, although it is a time measure. How about "Wavelength"?
"Amplitude" is OK if it is understood that it's one half of what is the current "width" (if you look at the source code, the width in the dialogs is divided by two before being kept in a variable called "amplitude").

Width and height are very confusing IMHO when you deal with vertical paths.

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:56 am  (#77) 
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whatever it ends up getting called all this discussion has given me a much better idea what the heck is going on.

you could always have images:

<----->

^
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:lol

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:02 pm  (#78) 
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pretty good cecilia. that would be good and clear. just put in arrows. Anyway, my vote is width and height......

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:19 pm  (#79) 
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molly wrote:
pretty good cecilia. that would be good and clear. just put in arrows. Anyway, my vote is width and height......

:rofl :rofl

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 Post subject: Re: The return of the revenge on the son of Slinky, reloaded
PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:27 pm  (#80) 
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I'm perfectly happy with what they are labeled now.

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