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 Post subject: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:19 am  (#1) 
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A WISH NOT YET A REALITY ! :gaah

At soon a new artwork is born Total Finalizer could start taking care of by adding

1) FRAME
The filter script has not really to create his own frames , may call other filters to do it
anyway should have control for
a) outside or inside frame
b) If "outside frame" allow to preserve image size (rescaling) or add to image size
c) Frame thickness
d) Frame thickness2/Allow asymmetry : separate thickness control for the lower side, allow lower part to be thinner or wider ,
(as example to contain some line of narrative or comment )
d) Style ...were style may even correspond to a list of presets , calling other filters
(as examples Gmic has several frames filters , and are many scripts too )

2) TITLE
Title should stay inside the frame may be
a) justified(right ,center, left)
b) on top on or bottom
c) font
d) size
e) Style
Were again Style may be a dropdown list of preset,i.e. to call some cool GnuTux or Graechan logo script

3) NOTE
"note" add a short text inside the lower side of the frame
a) fint
b)size
c) Style

OR

3) AUTHOR SIG , CONTACT ,copyright notice

This is a alternative to "note", one or the other , only 1 may be used


Optionally add author name and/or address, and/or Copyright info
Everything fit inside the frame , on the bottom

a) font
b) size
c) Style
Were again Style may be a dropdown list of presets corresponding to the best effects of GnuTux or Graechan logo script ...



4) VISIBLE AND/OR INVISIBLE WATERMARK
watermark instead are centered in the image because would be too easy to crop away if in the periphery.
few simple clear option ; NO watermark, visible watermark, invisible watermark, BOTH
so

a) ADD Visible watermark : here text
b)
HIDE invisible watermark : here text

From the few new i heard from TV seems not the case to make rain dances...

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:24 am  (#2) 
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Doesn't the Line Border script do all these things?
http://registry.gimp.org/node/24784

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:02 am  (#3) 
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:jumpclap IT DOES !! :jumpclap

Not all , no invisible watermarks and alas doesn't call fancy logo scripts but does all the essential

cool script but the author is really too modest, calling a similar script Line Border , i really overlooked for its name i was thinking was a script for the most simple solid color frame instead is almost my dreamed Total Finalizer

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:47 am  (#4) 
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Yeah it does quite a lot actually. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:25 am  (#5) 
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yes it does but only visible i hate visible watermark i use only the invisible

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:37 am  (#6) 
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Can you tell me or better yet show me an example of an invisible watermark?
Sounds kind of dumb for me to ask to see something invisible. :lol

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:37 am  (#7) 
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Rod wrote:
Can you tell me or better yet show me an example of an invisible watermark?
Sounds kind of dumb for me to ask to see something invisible. :lol


Fencepost has a script and a tutorial to create invisible watermark
Saulgoode too wrote a script ...(or 2 according how you count them ) to hide and reveal watermark

Watermark here is the suggest use but you may hide any type of test

The use of invisible watermark is very different from the visible
Visible watermark work because are visible , and yes discourage not licit use of the imagine, mainly by making so ugly that nobody would desire to steal it

Invisible watermark are not to discorage download but to get thieves red-handed, if there is a discussion on image right and propriety the fact , the embedded but invisible watermark clear any doubt, only who know of the invisible watermark and could make it visible may be (or pretend to be the author.

Alas in many cases is possible remove watermark simply by changing file format, png support very well hidden watermark, jpg less and simply by converting from png to jpg may be possible screw up the watermark

But not always, as far i know the gimp scripts for hidden watermark are not guaranteed from this simple countermeasure ,anyway
in theory is possible gain a more effective protection

But anyway few thieves are so smart to take care of what can't be seen but only supposed as possibility ,it is only by luck ,by converting png to jpg for other reasons if sometimes they succeed to remove the hidden watermark (in case they succed without even noticing :roll: ) ... but are many methods and several works well also for jpg

EDIT , PS

Saulgoode script was related to a my request, it was a related discussion on gimptalk with much details and links for deepening, i didn't bookmark the link but should be easy to trace
Key words "Invisible " or "hidden" watermark Saulgoode PhotoComix
it should be on www.gimpchat.com in the plugins & scripts board (if not in help board )

and the script is still in Saulgoode repository.

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:44 pm  (#8) 
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Rod wrote:
Doesn't the Line Border script do all these things?
http://registry.gimp.org/node/24784


It would be possible replace the section for visible watermark, with a call to Saulgoode or Fencepost scripts for hidden watermark ?
Or leave it , but add also a option for invisible watermark


Anyway the script really need a more descriptive name ...even simply use as name what it does even something as
" Add Frame Title & Watermark" would be better .

I even HAD the script ....but how i could guess that a script called Line border may do watermark and add titles and copyright info ? :hoh

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:58 pm  (#9) 
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PhotoComix Line border is still your best bet until the Menu size issue in gimp script-fu's can be addressed,
I also do not fully under stand what an invisible watermark is

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:15 pm  (#10) 
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it is well explained in the first link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_watermarking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:06 pm  (#11) 
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PhotoComix would not It be preferable to deter people from using an Image with a visible Watermark,
than to catch them after with an invisible one.

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:40 pm  (#12) 
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Not for me because i hate watermark :
or are too easy to crop because in periphery, or are in the middle and ruin the image.
Instead embed author and copyright info using hidden watermark do not alter the visible of the image.

It is a different approach and i like people downloading my works, i only want prevent somebody claiming ownership or attempting not authorized commercial usage

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:47 pm  (#13) 
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What about your image comment. Those are left intact and can be reviewed inside the GIMP program can they not? That is sort of a invisible copyright.
Or can those comments be changed or written over by other parties using GIMP?
Actually i just realized that information can be changed. Wouldn't it be better if ONLY the XCF workspace file allowed for comment changes? So if you opened the original image and tried to change a comment it would be grayed out Image>Image Properties>Comments text area would be grayed out but comment would still be view-able. This way only the xcf would allow changes to comments and this would act as a great copyright that was indeed invisible.

Or perhaps a password protected Image>Image Properties menu item? :ninja

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:07 pm  (#14) 
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A script for embedding text in an Image was posted on the registry early last year

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:09 am  (#15) 
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Oh yes you are talking about the spy software. :)
I forget right off hand the name though.

If i remember correctly you could embed images and text within another image with the plugin. I believe it was Python too.

Found it!
http://registry.gimp.org/node/25988

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3659

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:04 am  (#16) 
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Rod wrote:
What about your image comment. Those are left intact and can be reviewed inside the GIMP program can they not? That is sort of a invisible copyright.
Or can those comments be changed or written over by other parties using GIMP?
Actually i just realized that information can be changed. Wouldn't it be better if ONLY the XCF workspace file allowed for comment changes? So if you opened the original image and tried to change a comment it would be grayed out Image>Image Properties>Comments text area would be grayed out but comment would still be view-able. This way only the xcf would allow changes to comments and this would act as a great copyright that was indeed invisible.

Or perhaps a password protected Image>Image Properties menu item? :ninja

The thing in "Comments" is a standard metadata field in most image formats (a bit like the print definition). Other image editors have access to it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:43 am  (#17) 
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Rod wrote:
What about your image comment. Those are left intact and can be reviewed inside the GIMP program can they not? That is sort of a invisible copyright.
Or can those comments be changed or written over by other parties using GIMP?
Actually i just realized that information can be changed. Wouldn't it be better if ONLY the XCF workspace file allowed for comment changes? So if you opened the original image and tried to change a comment it would be grayed out Image>Image Properties>Comments text area would be grayed out but comment would still be view-able. This way only the xcf would allow changes to comments and this would act as a great copyright that was indeed invisible.

Or perhaps a password protected Image>Image Properties menu item? :ninja


But then I take that image, open it as a new layer on my own xcf and voila, comments enabled. The thing with thievery is, the more clever you get trying to avoid being stolen from, the more clever they get trying to steal your stuff. Not saying that this is a good thing, it's just what popped into my head when I saw your comment. If I thought of it I'm sure some nefarious derptart(<---that's not the word I had in mind btw.) probably did too.

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 Post subject: Re: Hoping for Total Finalizer
PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:28 am  (#18) 
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Rod, please, can you explain me how to install LineBorder2 plugin and the others files: .mo, .glade, .pot? I installed it but when I call the plugin at filters>decor>borders to work on an image, nothing happens.
I read how to install but could not solve the problem.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:50 am  (#19) 
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Carlos Diniz wrote:
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Rod, please, can you explain me how to install LineBorder2 plugin and the others files: .mo, .glade, .pot? I installed it but when I call the plugin at filters>decor>borders to work on an image, nothing happens.
I read how to install but could not solve the problem.

Extract the zip, it extracts to "LineBorder-2.4.2" folder. Place LineBorder folder & kym-border.py to your gimp plug-ins folder.
Author has set the file to be executable, worked for me.

It seems to have locales for German, Dutch, French & Czech.
Maybe a translation issue, are You running Gimp in some other language than English or one of the forementioned?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:43 am  (#20) 
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Thanks, Nidhogg. I'll try it. After I post the result.

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