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 Post subject: Ubuntu Auto-Removing Software From Computers Going Too Far?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:28 pm  (#1) 
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Oracle's Sun Java JDK packages are to be removed from the Ubuntu partner repositories and disabled on users systems. Oracle, in retiring the "Operating System Distributor License for Java," means Canonical no longer have permission to distribute the package. The change will affect Ubuntu 10.04 LTs, Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04 users only. Users who have the "sun-java-6" package installed on their system will see it removed via a future software update -- the exact date of which is "TBD." link

Seems kinda intrusive if you ask me...

Someone on Fedora Forums wrote:
Hmmmm.

What is this strange Ubu-thing of which you all speak? I cannot find it in the fedora repos.

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 Post subject: Re: Ubuntu Auto-Removing Software From Computers Going Too Far?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:47 pm  (#2) 
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I have Ubuntu as well and I agree. I suppose it's somewhere's in the user's agreement?

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 Post subject: Re: Ubuntu Auto-Removing Software From Computers Going Too Far?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:59 pm  (#3) 
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I guess JAVA can do what it wants to do. Really sad. Flash is controlled by Adobe and I wouldn't be surprised if they take that away too. Maybe with HTML5, all of this cr@p will be mute. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:20 am  (#4) 
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What disturbs me is that Canonical thinks it has the right to arbitrarily disable and remove software from a user's machine. That used to be something only Microsoft would have the audacity to do. It's kinda sad that a popular Linux distro would stoop to that level.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:17 am  (#5) 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:35 am  (#6) 
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You need to look into the background of this change a little, not so much Ubuntu as a licensing issue with Oracle.

resonable article here: http://lxnews.org/2011/12/19/oracle-jav ... om-ubuntu/

Seems to be just the browser plugin that will be removed and AFAIK the "removing" will be accomplished by providing empty updates thus disabling Java. So now might be the time to pin the Java packages on your machine, although what you can do about browser updates I do not know. There is an alternative, OpenJDK, hopefully compatible with your Java applications and internet browser. I would think that many of the US based distros will follow suit, not from a FOSS/security view as per Ubuntu but from a fear of being sued.

There are always alternatives, such as LinuxMint based on Ubuntu but without the political correctness, although they do largely use the ubuntu repos. Also assuming Ocacle Java will still be available for individual installation much the same as Oracle provide VirtualBox packages.

Not a good situation as it will limit your choice.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:19 am  (#7) 
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Will this affect Ubuntu 11.10?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:42 am  (#8) 
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rich2005 wrote:
You need to look into the background of this change a little, not so much Ubuntu as a licensing issue with Oracle.

resonable article here: http://lxnews.org/2011/12/19/oracle-jav ... om-ubuntu/

Seems to be just the browser plugin that will be removed and AFAIK the "removing" will be accomplished by providing empty updates thus disabling Java. So now might be the time to pin the Java packages on your machine, although what you can do about browser updates I do not know. There is an alternative, OpenJDK, hopefully compatible with your Java applications and internet browser. I would think that many of the US based distros will follow suit, not from a FOSS/security view as per Ubuntu but from a fear of being sued.

There are always alternatives, such as LinuxMint based on Ubuntu but without the political correctness, although they do largely use the ubuntu repos. Also assuming Ocacle Java will still be available for individual installation much the same as Oracle provide VirtualBox packages.

Not a good situation as it will limit your choice.

Nowhere do they say that Oracle will make Java *runtime* a non-fre software. By doing so they would shoot themselves in the foot (as said, there is the OpenJava one, and also the "stealth" IBM one).

The free side of Java owes a lot to Sun (now Oracle) and IBM's willingness to prevent Microsoft to rule the server world as they rule the desktop.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:44 am  (#9) 
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ok i get the theory

now the practice how to disable Ubuntu to run that updates ?

BTW and why oracle want shoot his feet ? first was the issues with OpenOffice that forced the LibreOffice fork now Java ?

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 Post subject: Re: Ubuntu Auto-Removing Software From Computers Going Too Far?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:46 pm  (#10) 
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One solution would be, do not update, unlike M$, an update is up to you.

Probably a better bet is to accept it and move on.

This from LinuxMint forum

http://tinyurl.com/c5zcawv

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:29 pm  (#11) 
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yes but i want update but preventing Java to be unistalled

OR i may just reinstall java after..or not ?

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 Post subject: Re: Ubuntu Auto-Removing Software From Computers Going Too Far?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:07 pm  (#12) 
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I guess things like this are just another reason to stick with FOSS, whenever possible. I use OpenJDK and never have problems.

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