Custom Fonts from GimpLearn 2020

Skinnyhouse · **Posted:** Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:39 am **(#21)**

Download, unzip and re-assemble with Stitcher v0.2b from post#1.

Attachment:

Valentino_Stained_Glass.7z [3.53 MiB]
Downloaded 2182 times

Attachment:

Valentino_Stained_Glass_1.7z [2.85 MiB]
Downloaded 2270 times

Attachment:

Valentino_Stained_Glass_2.7z [2.54 MiB]
Downloaded 2227 times

Skinnyhouse · **Posted:** Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:41 am **(#22)**

Download, unzip and re-assemble with Stitcher v0.2b from post#1.

Attachment:

Valentino_Sweet_Violet.7z [3.38 MiB]
Downloaded 2192 times

Attachment:

Valentino_Sweet_Violet_1.7z [2.76 MiB]
Downloaded 2332 times

Attachment:

Valentino_Sweet_Violet_2.7z [2.4 MiB]
Downloaded 2216 times

alan5603 · **Joined:** Jul 09, 2023 **Posts:** 1764

Here is custom font 319 (GL: 04/14/2020 -M/D/Y).

Download, unzip and reassemble the files with Stitcher from post #1 (now at version 0.2b).

Skinnyhouse · **Posted:** Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:21 am **(#24)**

Attachment:

BevelTubes.7z [4.89 MiB]
Downloaded 2175 times

Tas_mania · **Joined:** Nov 04, 2015 **Posts:** 1472

The Alba Matter font you just uploaded to Gimp Chat could be copyright.

If so I understand why poor Tin took his sites down I hope it's not going to be Gimp Chat's problem.

PixLab · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:27 am **(#26)**

Tas_mania wrote:

The Alba Matter font you just uploaded to Gimp Chat could be copyright.

If so I understand why poor Tin took his sites down I hope it's not going to be Gimp Chat's problem.

[ Image ]

Sorry Tas_mania

, but i don't see any problem as it's free for personal use, I might miss something though, like something I do need to understand...

Attachment:

screenshot_20231214-222410.jpg [ 61.99 KiB | Viewed 568128 times ]

nelo · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:30 am **(#27)**

Distributing it in a forum is not personal use.
Personal use would be making a Greeting Card with it and showing that, but not offering all the glyphs ready to use.

PixLab · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:48 am **(#28)**

nelo wrote:

Distributing it in a forum is not personal use.
Personal use would be making a Greeting Card with it and showing that, but not offering all the glyphs ready to use.

Ummm... a lot of thoughts...
Distributing for personal use (thus under the same license) does it works?
For example Dafont (an others similar websites) are distributing this font under "free for personal use", and they never got a problem with it, does this make those websites outlaw? if not, why distributing under personal use in a forum, will make it outlaw? In Dafont they give you all the glyphs.. does make Dafont outlaw? Also in a forum if you give a link to that font, does this make you outlaw?
I'm not a lawyer, thus it's something I do need to understand

nelo · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:35 am **(#29)**

I'm not a lawer, either. Imagine like this:
You create a nice font and put it on Dafont for personal use.
Those who want to put it on a CD, distribute it to their customers, do something with it to earn money ( with your work)
should contact you to get your price and conditions.
Would you then like it to be distributed through forums?
Surely not.
We do not know how this font came into Dafont. Did the author put it there?, Did Dafont grab it from some other place?...
I would be careful with such things.
If in doubt I would leave the fingers from it.

Tas_mania · **Joined:** Nov 04, 2015 **Posts:** 1472

These fonts are all listed under 'Gimp Resources'. Not true!
Many fonts are tagged 'PSE' which stands for 'photoshop elements'.
Most fonts were originally made by other people and most of the decorations were made by other people. Many fonts are owned by Adobe, Google and others but free to use. Some are copyright.

I agree the fonts are often creative and attractive.
But how are thousands of fonts re-homed to Gimp Chat even searchable? There are already huge font archives online and these fonts from mostly 3 people are in no order.

As far as intellectual property is concerned Gimp Chat is unregulated and open to exploitation.

Wallace · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:15 pm **(#31)**

Tas_mania wrote:

These fonts are all listed under 'Gimp Resources'. Not true!
Many fonts are tagged 'PSE' which stands for 'photoshop elements'.
Most fonts were originally made by other people and most of the decorations were made by other people. Many fonts are owned by Adobe, Google and others but free to use. Some are copyright.

[ Image ]

I agree the fonts are often creative and attractive.
But how are thousands of fonts re-homed to Gimp Chat even searchable? There are already huge font archives online and these fonts from mostly 3 people are in no order.

As far as intellectual property is concerned Gimp Chat is unregulated and open to exploitation.

I removed the post.

PixLab · **Posted:** Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:56 pm **(#32)**

Wallace wrote:

I removed the post.

I did found the copyright conditions of the Alba font (the post removed) or any font from font.a.licious, see attached PDF.

Attachment:

read_me.pdf [42.69 KiB]
Downloaded 2102 times

Roughly people can redistribute it, they just need to attach this PDF with it :bigthup

(removing the post might have been a bit too fast :mrgreen:

)

Tas_mania · **Joined:** Nov 04, 2015 **Posts:** 1472

Unfortunately that's all Wallace can do. It's a good reminder for all of us to respect other people's intellectual property.

I think Utube simplified this with the Creative Commons Attribution License and hands-off everything else. The font World seems a lot more complex with all sorts of licenses and requirements.

Skinnyhouse · **Posted:** Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:09 am **(#34)**

Originally uploaded to GimpLearn in Feb 2020 (Over 30Mb before splitting)

Download, unzip and re-assemble with Stitcher v0.2b from post#1.

Attachment:

ParmaPetit_Blue_Bottle_glass.7z [3.32 MiB]
Downloaded 2119 times

Attachment:

ParmaPetit_Blue_Bottle_glass_1.7z [3.91 MiB]
Downloaded 2120 times

Attachment:

ParmaPetit_Blue_Bottle_glass_2.7z [2.52 MiB]
Downloaded 2061 times

Tas_mania · **Joined:** Nov 04, 2015 **Posts:** 1472

Wallace · **Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:14 pm **(#36)**

Tas_mania wrote:

Celtic Hand font is copyright It can't be modified or published without written permission. Do you have written permission?

You need written permission to:
4. Conversion
the given typeface may be converted to other formats such as WOFF, SVG or EOT webfonts, as long as the font is not modified in any other way, such as changing names or altering individual glyphs.

5. Distribution
While the given typeface may freely be copied and passed along to other individuals for private use as its original downloadable zip-file, it may not be sold or published without written permission by its respective author.

You probably think I'm running a campaign against you, but I don't understand why you don't develop your own 100% skinnyhouse fonts. Or start your own font repository and pay for it. You are actually using the Gimp Chat site advertising to pay to host fonts you are taking from other people.

I'm going to have to remove the post(s) pointed out by Tas_mania,
which contain the copyright font in question.
Also, I'd like to ask that, in the future,
please try and concentrate on using fonts that are "free" without copyright restrictions.

Skinnyhouse · **Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:13 pm **(#37)**

That's good by me Wallace and thanks to Tasmania for pointing it out. I hope that he will go through all of my work now and point out which of the other fonts have been used without the correct copyright so that I can remove them.

An excerpt from one of my quick guides states,

'Before you convert a font to Gimp layers, please check that the font is indeed free to use. I only use fonts that are 100% free and also those for which the author is not asking donations; I hasten to add that this is not for the sake of saving money but to make sure that money is not diverted from the author’s revenue stream. It takes a lot of work to make a font and I salute the amazing people who give their work freely away.'

So you can see that in this instance I failed miserably and let myself down badly.

I shall delete all of the five styles that I made of that particular custom font as well as the actual base custom font and the font itself.

As to the future I will double check the license of uploads.

As to the more general points made by Tasmania:

Custom fonting has been around on GimpChat for a number of years now - started by others - with a supportive small group of interested folk.
The number of CF enthusiasts have dwindled over the past couple of years and I was hoping to revive a little more interest in making them and to encourage a few more creators by adding work that had been uploaded originally to GimpLearn.

I have indeed added my own custom fonts from scratch - there about ten of my styles here on GimpChat. All of my custom fonts are free!

The hint about freeloading on GimpChat advertising revenue made me smile. I would argue that the number of custom font downloads suggests that custom fonts have generated some revenue for the site. No matter.

As to the idea of CF being a quick fix:

Custom Fonts require a user path so that the characters can be painted along it into an image. The individual glyphs are not available unless someone goes to the trouble of exporting them one at a time. I have not made such a plug-in to do this task available. You could argue that the logo filters could also be used to generate individual glyphs that break copyright.

Using my own plug-in (I should add that others are available) a recent font took two hours to produce a basic capitals only version. Most of that time was spent creating the upper-case kerning paths. That works out at about 90 kerning paths per hour: Try it and see!

Each font usually has a number of templated versions to which I can apply a decorative finish. Theses variations can add a further twenty to thirty minutes of development time for a capitals only file. The recent highlight plug-in requires more time since it can involve multiple runs and combining a number of files but I hope to improve on that. And then there is the time taken to develop, test and update the tools that I use. You can see that I like to create a few decorative variations for each custom font-face style.

Why am I here on GimpChat? Because of the supportive, friendly community. And I do actually look at the vast majority of the posts - even those written by Tasmania.

What is the point of custom fonting? To have fun!

Wallace · **Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:35 pm **(#38)**

Skinnyhouse wrote:

That's good by me Wallace and thanks to Tasmania for pointing it out. I hope that he will go through all of my work now and point out which of the other fonts have been used without the correct copyright so that I can remove them.

An excerpt from one of my quick guides states,

'Before you convert a font to Gimp layers, please check that the font is indeed free to use. I only use fonts that are 100% free and also those for which the author is not asking donations; I hasten to add that this is not for the sake of saving money but to make sure that money is not diverted from the author’s revenue stream. It takes a lot of work to make a font and I salute the amazing people who give their work freely away.'

So you can see that in this instance I failed miserably and let myself down badly.

[ Image ]

I shall delete all of the five styles that I made of that particular custom font as well as the actual base custom font and the font itself.

As to the future I will double check the license of uploads.

As to the more general points made by Tasmania:

Custom fonting has been around on GimpChat for a number of years now - started by others - with a supportive small group of interested folk.
The number of CF enthusiasts have dwindled over the past couple of years and I was hoping to revive a little more interest in making them and to encourage a few more creators by adding work that had been uploaded originally to GimpLearn.

I have indeed added my own custom fonts from scratch - there about ten of my styles here on GimpChat. All of my custom fonts are free!

The hint about freeloading on GimpChat advertising revenue made me smile. I would argue that the number of custom font downloads suggests that custom fonts have generated some revenue for the site. No matter.

As to the idea of CF being a quick fix:

Custom Fonts require a user path so that the characters can be painted along it into an image. The individual glyphs are not available unless someone goes to the trouble of exporting them one at a time. I have not made such a plug-in to do this task available. You could argue that the logo filters could also be used to generate individual glyphs that break copyright.

Using my own plug-in (I should add that others are available) a recent font took two hours to produce a basic capitals only version. Most of that time was spent creating the upper-case kerning paths. That works out at about 90 kerning paths per hour: Try it and see!

Each font usually has a number of templated versions to which I can apply a decorative finish. Theses variations can add a further twenty to thirty minutes of development time for a capitals only file. The recent highlight plug-in requires more time since it can involve multiple runs and combining a number of files but I hope to improve on that. And then there is the time taken to develop, test and update the tools that I use. You can see that I like to create a few decorative variations for each custom font-face style.

Why am I here on GimpChat? Because of the supportive, friendly community. And I do actually look at the vast majority of the posts - even those written by Tasmania.

What is the point of custom fonting? To have fun!

Thank you Skinnyhouse for your response.
Let's try and keep it friendly and fun.
:grphug

PixLab · **Posted:** Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:00 pm **(#39)**

Tas_mania wrote:

Celtic Hand font is copyright It can't be modified or published without written permission. Do you have written permission?

They do not need written permission. :mrgreen:

What you gave us is a made up license from that website to "force" other website (like dafont and so) to keep that text file "from 1001fonts" in the zip.
Roughly to advertise 1001fonts when re-distributing -> which is breaking the original copyright as you got restrictions (but this can be a point of view

)

Because the copyright from the owner of that font (the guy who made it)....
....//... For all these reasons I am giving out my fonts to everyone for free for commercial purposes without any restrictions and I hope you enjoy in these fonts as much as I and many other font-friends around the world do!

You can check it here > https://www.1001fonts.com/users/steffmann/

Or click on the owner's name once on 1001fonts:

So from the owner point of view, this makes Skinnyhouse do whatever he wants with it... No restrictions, especially not even breaking the 1001fonts "pseudo" copyright as Skinnyhouse did not download it from them but from fontzone.net where there is no such restriction.

Tas_mania wrote:

You probably think I'm running a campaign against you, .....//....

It's good that you search about copyrights :bigthup

, but I think you need to search deeper about the copyrights of the posted fonts

, as for now the result is:
One post deleted from Alan5603, where we just have to ask him to join the PDF's copyright in his post or in its .zip and it would have been legal (I mean not braking the owner's copyright), and another post from Skinnyhouse, which I did not even have the time to see :cry

, was deleted although it was 100% respectful of the copyrights' owner...

Tas_mania · **Joined:** Nov 04, 2015 **Posts:** 1472