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 Post subject: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:41 pm  (#1) 
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I'm basically just trying to make a Dr. Pepper bottle look like it's empty. Thank you :)


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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:16 pm  (#2) 
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this is the best i could do
I selected the dr.pepper areas and then apply a layer of color mode over top using the color from the empty part...then adjusted brightness and contrast of dr.pepper area.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:36 pm  (#3) 
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Here's what I came up with.
It involved using a Bump Map and trying to match the color of the empty parts as Trandoductin did.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 3:40 pm  (#4) 
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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:32 pm  (#5) 
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THANK YOU SO MUCH I LOVE YOU MAN ;D

I'm glad we were able to help you out.

Good luck with this project. If you do try out these examples, let us know how it went.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:52 pm  (#6) 
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Trandoductin: I am unable to reproduce what you did to get the empty bottle effect. I am not familiar with the "layer color mode" and how to use it. Would you list your steps as to how you did this? I would greatly appreciate it.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:17 pm  (#7) 
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Trandoductin: I am unable to reproduce what you did to get the empty bottle effect. I am not familiar with the "layer color mode" and how to use it. Would you list your steps as to how you did this? I would greatly appreciate it.

1. use color picker tool to select color of bottle where it's empty
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2. create a blank layer on top of original layer
3. make selections where the dr.pepper is
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4. click and drag foreground color (color selected in step 1) onto working area
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5. set the mode of the top layer to "Color"
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6. select the original layer, then play with Colors/Brightness and Constrast
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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:21 am  (#8) 
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Thought I would add some reflections to the plastic using Artshop iridescent plugin. Used bilateral filter set to grain extract and result set to grain merge to make the soda itself disappear (one layer of course set to normal). I then did the sorry job of re-introducing the label and bottle cap. :)


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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:03 am  (#9) 
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trandoductin: that's a real transformation, great job!
wallace: wow, for once i'm impressed with what bump mapping did! great job you too.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:43 am  (#10) 
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trandoductin: that's a real transformation, great job!
wallace: wow, for once i'm impressed with what bump mapping did! great job you too.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:08 pm  (#11) 
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Trandoductin: Thank You!! I see I have some homework now!

Trando, Wallace, Lylejk: You all had different steps but achieved the same goal, amazing!!


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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:36 pm  (#12) 
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Pat625 wrote:
Trando, Wallace, Lylejk: You all had different steps but achieved the same goal, amazing!!

That's often the case with Gimp. The same effects can be achieved using many different methods.
Our results speak for themselves. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:50 pm  (#13) 
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Thanks Pat; again, there's more than one way to skin a cat. lol

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:19 pm  (#14) 
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Fantastic result! Thanks Trandoductin, Wallace and Lyle for your help to get it done. :bump
I'll give it a try sure as I want to learn "magic" as you make. :tyspin

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:22 pm  (#15) 
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Fantastic result! Thanks Trandoductin, Wallace and Lyle for your help to get it done. :bump
I'll give it a try sure as I want to learn "magic" as you make. :tyspin

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:09 am  (#16) 
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trandoductin: Did you use the Free Select Tool? My selection around the top of the label looks rough.

It didn't work for me at first either, but that is because I didn't select the bottle layer when doing the Colors > Brightness-Contrast.
Thanks for the details.

I could not drag the FG color to the selection. The cursor turns into the Move symbol and moves the entire Gimp IDE, so I used the Bucket Fill Tool. That is probably a KDE thing that I'll have to check into.

Wallace: Can you tell use more about the Bump Map method. I am guessing you created a Layer filled with the matched color and then applied Filters > Map > Bump Map ?????

Update 1:
If anyone is using Gimp on KDE 4 and dragging the FG to the selection moves the window instead, it might be the "Window drag mode". I found it under:
Settings > Application Appearance > Style, Widget Style: Oxygen > Configure, Windows' drag mode: Drag windows from titlebar only.
There is another move option: Settings > Window Behavior > Window Behavior > Window Actions has Alt+Left mouse button set to Move.
This prevents you from moving a selection in Gimp. I almost want to turn off KDE's shortcuts when using Gimp.
Update 2:
There is a better option (I think):
Right-click the title bar and select More Actions > Special Application Settings. Click the Appearance & Fixes tab. There is an option
Ignore global shortcut keys. Set it to Force and yes. From reading and searching, it sounds like this will help inkscape and blender folks too.


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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:23 am  (#17) 
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vA+6Q-Hv[BX] wrote:

Wallace: Can you tell use more about the Bump Map method.
I am guessing you created a Layer filled with the matched color and then applied Filters > Map > Bump Map ?????

Your guess is correct vA+6Q-Hv[BX].

The layer used for the Bump Map,
was Desaturated using Colors → Desaturate,
Luminosity setting.
With calculated gray levels as,
(Luminosity = 0.21 × R + 0.72 × G + 0.07 × B).

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:19 pm  (#18) 
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free select yeah!.
Just zoom in and do it carefully if you want it to be smooth.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:53 pm  (#19) 
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When I first saw this thread last year, I was intimidated as I had not been in the forum for very long and had not done this type of photo manipulation. Since you have all "vigorously" tutored me this year, I thought I would give it a try.
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 Post subject: Re: How to make Bottle look empty?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:34 pm  (#20) 
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That's very good, Pat.

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