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 Post subject: enhance this cat with Peter's tutorial
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:47 am  (#1) 
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following the post here:
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I propose to play with this cat using the tutorial of Peter, because I had an unsolved problem with his back .. :) . and I will be able to increase my knowledge.
This is a photo offered by the site:https://pixabay.com/fr/
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 Post subject: Re: enhance this cat with Peter's tutorial
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:01 am  (#2) 
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Not me, personally; I'm a "filter man", not much a tutorial follower.
I hope that Ella takes this challenge; in this case you will surely get an outstanding result.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:07 am  (#3) 
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You are too modest Dinasset, too bad.
The part of the cat that annoyed me is the one in red.
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 Post subject: Re: enhance this cat with Peter's tutorial
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:33 am  (#4) 
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Problems are in the overall contour, look at the area inside the red lines: hair is not clearly distinct from the background, as it should.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:49 am  (#5) 
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Please, have a look again at this outcome by Ella.
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As you see, hair is always NOT blurred into the background, but clearly separated (and that subject is even more difficult).
Likely the tutorial does not solve this problem, and there is a need for a post-process step.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:57 am  (#6) 
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Dinasset, I used the filters: levels, and curves as well as G'Mic filters but failed to improve.
Finally, maybe I should not have opened this topic, because some might think it's a competition. Or it's not my intention, I'm just trying to learn ... I'm asking Wallace to remove?

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I think it's better for me to give up on this cat and to study other things (like paths and canals).

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:00 am  (#7) 
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Why? It's not a competition, it's a challenge.
If someone can indicate which steps have to be applied to improve the outcome, you and all other perople here interested can only learn.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:06 am  (#8) 
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PS: hope you do not consider my refuse to partecipate to this challenge as a lack of help, it's only that this is not my area of competence, hope someone more competent can provide help.
That's the goal of each challenge.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:19 am  (#9) 
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level_0 wrote:
Dinasset, I used the filters: levels, and curves as well as G'Mic filters but failed to improve.
Finally, maybe I should not have opened this topic, because some might think it's a competition. Or it's not my intention, I'm just trying to learn ... I'm asking Wallace to remove?

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I think it's better for me to give up on this cat and to study other things (like paths and canals).


level_0, don't apologize for opening this topic. And certainly don't give up practicing.
At the moment I don't have enough time to look at the cat picture. I'll do it later.

But every photo has another result and not every picture is suitable to create a nice outcome.

Here I think the problem is the cat and the background haven't much contrast.
I think Peter mentioned he sometimes replaces the background ...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:35 am  (#10) 
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level_0 wrote:
I think it's better for me to give up on this cat and to study other things (like paths and canals).

No, don't give up, I think this cat is well worth the effort.

What exactly did you do on your pic? Did you just do the tutorial like in the film?

For my dog, try 2, I used an approach via the intelligent select tool. Maybe this helps you, too?

After step 6 (the sharpening), right before dream smooth, I
- Duplicated the layer step 2-6. One for the background, one for the dog.
- Used scissors select (the intelligent select tool) to select the dog, pretty far out to get the hairs (lower layer).
- Feathered selection by about 20 (pic was 1600 x about 1600)
- Applied dream smooth on dog
- Went to background, selection still in work
- Inverted selection
- Grew it (I think - selection line was closer to the dog, background was selected) by about 15 or so
- Applied dream smooth with different adjustments for background
- Inverted selection
- Deleted dog on that layer
- Merged down one

Further on like in the video; only doing without the white canvas.

Hopefully I didn't mess up with what was above and down and growing and shrinking :oops: Maybe I'll take a try on the cat later on.

PS: I am happy that you opened this thread. From all the nice and perfect pictures posted I can't learn to much. But here I can learn a real lot, finding out what went wrong and improve the painting.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:15 am  (#11) 
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Furry animals are always good candidates for the "freaky details" processing:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:03 am  (#12) 
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ofnuts wrote:
Furry animals are always good candidates for the "freaky details" processing:
There is freaky details in the tutorial :thinking:
I don't remember quite what exactly I did; I worked with two layers for dream smooth with different adjustments but I dream smoothed the whole layers, not a selection, and selected and cut after that; I also worked with layer mask on the background over the copy of the original to get it darker around the whiskers.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:08 am  (#13) 
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level_0 and dinasset, I think you can't avoid blurring the fur when using dream smooth. Because the background of the cat picture already is blurred just around the fur. Here's my try, also blurred. With the canvas texture applied it shows less.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:17 am  (#14) 
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Thanks for trying, Ella.
So, the source image was somehow "destroyed" by the author.
Did you try starting with the "freaky details" first (i.e. using as "source" the outcome of Ofnuts)?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:34 pm  (#15) 
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dinasset wrote:
Did you try starting with the "freaky details" first (i.e. using as "source" the outcome of Ofnuts)?


@ Diego, When I downloaded the cat photo Ofnuts hadn't post his outcome yet.
Now I've tried with it. And still a little hazy appearance on the fur.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:45 pm  (#16) 
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I see, no chance, the "defect" should in the combination between the image and G'mic.

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 Post subject: Re: enhance this cat with Peter's tutorial
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:49 pm  (#17) 
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I use filters and follow tutorials. I might find a photo of an animal and just play with it in gimp to see what I come up with.


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 Post subject: Re: enhance this cat with Peter's tutorial
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:55 pm  (#18) 
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Never, ever stop asking questions to learn! That is why we are here. We share our art, talent,and knowledge to others as those before us taught us. I love this forum for that main reason.

Many good suggestions to help you have been made and will probably come in handy many times.

I use this method when Gimp's or GMIC's foreground extraction plug-ins fail us. Very easily explained, no additional scripts beyond Gimp are needed. I hope you will find this helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eWfoYNvJE


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 Post subject: Re: enhance this cat with Peter's tutorial
PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:27 am  (#19) 
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Thank you all for having reviewed this problem chat in detail and now I will look at your suggestions carefully. :)

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