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 Post subject: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:32 am  (#1) 
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I have found an old photo with a red color cast, manual white balance usually helps fix it but I am stuck with a blue cast on a old colour photo.
ps. Looking at the channels I noticed nothing was in the blue channel?
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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:59 am  (#2) 
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sallyanne wrote:
I have found an old photo with a red color cast,
manual white balance usually helps fix it but I am stuck with a blue cast on a old colour photo.
ps. Looking at the channels I noticed nothing was in the blue channel?
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I'm not a photo restoration expert.
However,
I've heard that some older photos can sometimes turn blue over time.
The blue tint can be lessened,
but the other colors that were present.
Have probably been damages or lost beyond repair,
due to age.
Restoring this photo to it's former colorful glory.
May be difficult or nearly impossible at best.
One could desaturate a photo like this and then try and recolor what was lost/damaged.
I don't believe a full color restoration on this photo would be possible.
Unless it was done as previously mentioned.

I could be wrong about this,
but I feel it's more likely that I'm not.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:08 am  (#3) 
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I am afraid Wallace is right. It has become a mono color image over time. Restoring it would mean coloring by hand. But it is always good to see what color information is left on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:43 am  (#4) 
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Thanks for looking guys. This was a photo from one of the retouching forums I visit.
In my group not too many restorers there yet so I want to know how it can be done if indeed it can, so I wanted to know how to tackle it if I ever came across the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:10 am  (#5) 
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This is what I could get out of it:


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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
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Always worth looking at the histogram. There is definitely something in the blue channel. This looks like some form of JPEG mis-encoding. The blue channel seems to have been shifted by some amount (about 100), and all the value above 255-100=155 are clamped to 255. To fix, you would have to subtract that amount (Levels), and replace the blue above 155 by the average or the max of the red/green channels (so light tones would be grey, but this is better than blue) (make a grey copy of the image, put it under the color image, and make the color image transparent where the blue is 255). See XCF in attached ZIP (slow link...). Now of course this image also has a severe contrast problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:55 am  (#7) 
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Thanks ofnuts (I know I've seen the histogram before but for the life of me I cannot find it now)for the xcf and Thank you vincent for trying.
I got a black and white picture using temperature and levels. I know a lot more work needs doing on it to make it look acceptable.
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Here is one I did tonight that was nearly as bad
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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:49 am  (#8) 
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Windows>Dockable dialogs>Histogram. If you do photo restoration you should have it open all the time. There are also histograms in the Levels/Curves tools.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:51 am  (#9) 
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ofnuts wrote:
Windows>Dockable dialogs>Histogram. If you do photo restoration you should have it open all the time. There are also histograms in the Levels/Curves tools.

Thank you, Thank you, I'll open the window right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:32 am  (#10) 
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Sallyanne: Great job on those images! I would probably have taken one look and turned around :). I know you say you used temperature and levels, but how did you make the temperature manipulations? Gimp tools or a g'mic restoration tool or something?
Vincent: That's very good! What did you do to it?

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:38 am  (#11) 
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Vincent: That's very good! What did you do to it?[/quote]

All done in GIMP. First used the Channel mixer (Menu: Colors - Components) on a new layer and tweaked the greens and reds, than let GIMP do some auto correct (Menu: Colors - Auto - Normalize/White Balance) on a third layer and used the curves tool as well. Lastly I did some corrections with the blend tool set to radial because of the heavy vignetting.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:48 am  (#12) 
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Vincent wrote:
Lastly I did some corrections with the blend tool set to radial because of the heavy vignetting.
That's something I wondered about! Thanks for sharing, I think I often overcomplicate things when I try to correct photos and tend to overlook things like the gradient tool because they seem too "simple". Silly of me.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:14 am  (#13) 
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Hi Anmal. Thank you :) Good to see your still around and tell Erisian he will be missed if he stays away ;)

With the first picture that was really blue, just turning it to black and white still kept it very dark.. So, I made it very yellow using the color temperature in G'mic then using levels and contrast etc after desaturating.
I found by making it a lighter color it helped make the desturated picture lighter.
With the second one there was some colour showing so I didn't have to turn it into a Black and white. Manual white balance plus a radial blend for the sky as it was blown out. I forget what else I did.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:15 pm  (#14) 
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Sallyanne:A-ha! G'mic:s colour temperature filter is another thing I don't use enough. I haven't thought of trying that before desaturating an image.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:04 am  (#15) 
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My try:
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Sallyanne, this color cast is hard to correct.

Here I used first the channel mixer (GIMP>Colours>Components>'Channel Mixer' .. No Preserve Luminosity)

In G'MIC you can use G'MIC>Colors>'RGB tone' and 'CMYK tone'. On my system 'CMYK tone' is not very stable in G'MIC Qt. For this blue cast the 'CMYK tone' filter is the best. I think these filters do something like the Channel Mixer in GIMP, but expanded. Unfortunately they crash in Qt, so I used G'MIC 1.79 here. So the 'magic' here is "Channel Mixing". This method is also very useful for underwater image color correction.

Also an interesting filter for this color cast is G'MIC>Colors>Mixer [CMYK].

After using the filters I described here above, I used G'MIC>Colors>Curves,
G'MIC>Colors>Boost chromaticity (YCbCr distinct) and
G'MIC>Colors>Specific saturation.

In this process I create layer after layer. Everytime I blend those layers with the last layer with an opacity I like. Sometimes I copy an 'old' lower layer to correct for Value, (or/and) Color, (or/and) Saturation or/and Tint on top of the newer layers.

I also warmly recommend a brand new G'MIC filter .....G'MIC>Details>'Local Processing'
with Action: Equalize
with 'Process channels individualy' On.
with Channels: RGB [all]


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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:12 am  (#16) 
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iarga wrote:
My try:


Well done! :clap

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:01 pm  (#17) 
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Sallyanne,
I tried to follow the tips given by the iarga but even the result was not satisfactory. I believe that if you could follow the tips ofnuts could have a better result, but as Wallace said, this photograph is in difficult conditions to be restored.

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 Post subject: Re: Blue Color cast.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:46 pm  (#18) 
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Iarga, what you have done with this photo is spectacular! I would be proud if I could do half that good!

TicTac, you also have a lot of talent with these photos.


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