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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:41 pm  (#121) 
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changed to 'addons_active:C:\Users\user\Addon Manager\{type}/Added Resources' tested Ok
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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:10 am  (#122) 
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I tried so much times to use a addon manager (not only this) and for some reasons i never succeed

BUT i downloaded again and i will try again ...

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:00 am  (#123) 
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Hy i only installed but my windows looks very different , on top i have only la x to close

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You see on top are very different , it is normal ? (maybe is from Mac)

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:44 am  (#124) 
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You window looks like you use an outdated version. Get the latest version here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-to ... s/scripts/

And see the doc here:

http://gimp-tools.sourceforge.net/managementtools.shtml

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:54 pm  (#125) 
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Oh thanks
That i took from the first message , maybe that link should be updated

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:53 pm  (#126) 
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ofnuts wrote:
You window looks like you use an outdated version. Get the latest version here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-to ... s/scripts/


I replaced the file but the result seems identical, all the buttons on the top side (except the X ) visible in your screenshot are not displayed
I installed on a just downloaded gimp and gimpainter so can't be old version inside or conflict

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:56 am  (#127) 
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That earlier screenshot is one of mine. I use an older version, on the basis it works so why change it, but I did try the latest version, in a Win7 and Gimp 2.8.10. Still valid though, all the scripts are zipped. With just the plain plugin, the only menu entry is for scripts. Brushes, patterns, fonts etc are right-click context in the appropriate dialog.

Just follow the information. http://gimp-tools.sourceforge.net/managementtools.shtml

edited a little winxp -> win7

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...the manager uses folders that are siblings of the default active add-on folders, named by suffixing their names "_storage":...
On Windows : C:\Users\{user's_id}\.gimp-2.8\brushes_storage


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....This storage folder will in turn contain:
Child directories with one or more add-ons (each such folder is an individually selectable set).
ZIP files with one or more addons (each such ZIP is an individually selectable set).


Looking at your empty scripts dialog, as a guess. In your new scripts_storage folder no child folders containing scripts or individual/collections of zipped scripts, just the plain scripts.

I was going to make a video but one issue with fonts installing but not removing has put that on hold for the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:05 am  (#128) 
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Ahh ,thank to clarify
I believe i will foundI need something conceptually different , a "module" manager:
now is hard explain the utility of a module manager because there are no "modules" available, and i must clarify the concept of "module" because the word could be used also to indicate something else

A "Module" as i intend is a group of different add-on, different also for category that have in commune a theme,a direction a speciphic user scenario as example "Photo Retouch" will include script, plugin , but also curve presets, patterns and palettes, "Photo to painting" again palette scripts , plugin, gradients, pattern palette, gimpressionist presets ...

but now i don't want make derail this topic with a OT, i will open a new topic about Modulo and Modulo Management , here back to this addon manager i found really useful to shrink the file sizes of my addon and organize them ...the fact that i need to organize them in modulo, and manage the modulo is a ...spin off to keep separate

Now i am just happy that the addon manager is successful installed and show up if called, and busy to organize and zip

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:48 am  (#129) 
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Ahh ,thank to clarify
I believe i will foundI need something conceptually different , a "module" manager:
now is hard explain the utility of a module manager because there are no "modules" available, and i must clarify the concept of "module" because the word could be used also to indicate something else

A "Module" as i intend is a group of different add-on, different also for category that have in commune a theme,a direction a speciphic user scenario as example "Photo Retouch" will include script, plugin , but also curve presets, patterns and palettes, "Photo to painting" again palette scripts , plugin, gradients, pattern palette, gimpressionist presets ...

but now i don't want make derail this topic with a OT, i will open a new topic about Modulo and Modulo Management , here back to this addon manager i found really useful to shrink the file sizes of my addon and organize them ...the fact that i need to organize them in modulo, and manage the modulo is a ...spin off to keep separate

Now i am just happy that the addon manager is successful installed and show up if called, and busy to organize and zip


Maybe what you need is different Gimp profiles... For each "use case" you would have have a specific set of scripts, plugins, brushes, patterns, fonts, palettes, gradients, dynamics, default settings, window position and dock organization. You only have to start Gimp with a specific environment variable set (GIMP2_DIRECTORY) that points to the directory to use as a profile (to replace .gimp-2.8). This is simply done with a .BAT. You can create .gimp-2.8-painting, .gimp-2.8-photo, etc... and create the relevant shortcuts to start Gimp with them. You can use Edit/Preferences -> Folders (in each profile) to have them look in shared locations (for instance, the subdirectories of the regular .gimp-2.8 profile) if needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:18 am  (#130) 
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Maybe what you need is different Gimp profiles... For each "use case" you would have have a specific set of scripts, plugins, brushes, patterns, fonts, palettes, gradients, dynamics, default settings, window position and dock organization. You only have to start Gimp with a specific environment variable set (GIMP2_DIRECTORY) that points to the directory to use as a profile (to replace .gimp-2.8). This is simply done with a .BAT. You can create .gimp-2.8-painting, .gimp-2.8-photo, etc... and create the relevant shortcuts to start Gimp with them. You can use Edit/Preferences -> Folders (in each profile) to have them look in shared locations (for instance, the subdirectories of the regular .gimp-2.8 profile) if needed.


Exactly...almost exactly !
suppose gimp installed on a multi-users computers where each user has very different exigences and each adapted to the most different tasks :

I could not resist to use a bit of narrative to describe each modulo , the description is not strictly needed ..but is clear, may be fun ,and some may even find them-self mirrored in my hypothetical users

but since not strictly needed for the discussion hide in a spoiler ,so may be more easily skip

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1)User "Extended Core" I want kept it the most simple possible, he found the menu already overwhelming and doesn't want anything more only the core
Yet he agree that a very few things more should be included, as the help, Liquid Rescale, Resynthesizer, Gimp and beautify for the Plugins , and Layer Effect and a few cool Logo script from Gimpchat , and really nothing nothing more

... so is no the gimp Safe mode, but the Standard version + what should be in the basic version but is not to kept the source code most simple and compact possible

User "Mr PhotoEdit"
he use gimp mostly to edit his photo , and believe the best edit be the less visible , a effect that may even be strong but would be perceived as edited only if confronting face to face the before/after

User " Mrs Photo2paint & Special Effects"

Apparently the opposite, but the best friend of "Mr PhotoEdit", (they may often work together sharing the same tools, but in case they use same tool same tool they would use in very different ways and for different goal ) and his complement

She use gimp to turn photos in sort of digital paintings, sketch , ink drawing, or even DVD and e-book cover, and experiment the most bizarre and dramatic effects.

She is happy to transform photos of parents, friends, collegues in poster in Obama, Che Guevara , or National geographic style, or even in glass or stones mosaic, bas relief, coins, poststamp , insert them in logo of bottle

Often she doesn't even care if the image she is using are from her camera or grabbed from internet because all her interest is in the magic of transmutation

Brother Painter & Sister Comix

They use gimp mostly , almost only to paint , thye doesn't like much filters they use only the most basic and would not like more then that included,
They could not resist to collect gazillion of brushes (even if rarely use more then a dozen, usually the same dozen ) and palettes and Sister Comix is a almost pathologically compulsive collector of patterns
They pretend GPS and GimpbrushBox installed and Pantone Crayola and Websafe palettes, and some kind of CMYK support

MR Video&Animation

He use gimp to create animations, from simple gif or flash sequences to more complex video
And he want everything may be useful for both, including some a collection (mostly from Gimpchat ) of cool animated Logo effect , and of course GAP and all the other scripts and plugin for animation

And of course there is even the
Logo and Graphic GC Crew, that as you may imagine mostly use gimp to create graphic and logo, and/or to script new graphic and logo scripts
main use of gimp may be collect and play with all the cool Logo script on Gimpchat ,
In the crew many are Iniziates of knew of the esoteric mystery of the Paths and they not only use write and collect all excellent path related scripts , but they even know how to found those scripts, we are talking scripts that may be found only by Initiated to the Esoteric Practice of the Right Click on the Correct Target:
It is written that only who know how to Right Click on the Correct location will be open the contextual menu , a menu that contains the Path Scripts ...other legends tell of similar hidden scripts dedicated to Gradients and Pattern

And in the Logo and Graphic GC Crew there even who known the Reality beyond the Myths of the Hidden Path, Gradient and Pattern Scripts and they offer a guide for the Path to the Paths Scripts
Obviously they expect all that excellent scripts installed

AND LAST BUT NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN there is me , poor me , and i should at best all those multiple personalities , avoiding conflict in the same brain and in the same software.
I believe the only possibility to preserve both flexibility and usability is use a modular approach, anything else will turn in a usability nightmare


There are good similarities between Module and useprofile that may solve partially

But alas, is more complex that create different userprofiles and allow to switch from one to another:
Module are not mutually exclusive on the contrary should be possible switch on 2 or even more modules simultaneusly

and last problem is... categories Vs tags :
using categories as "Animation" " PhotoRetouch" and so on i can't not avoid overlapping items to appear in 2 or more categories and not sure how this would and could be handled

Tags instead would solve, because same item may have many tags without problems

And here i remember was a lot of discussions about a proper system to tags resources...but i don't know nothing more if is already implemented and if could help to solve

And yes what you suggest is excellent but then i should consider NOT 1 userprofile for each module BUT 1 for each possible combinations of modules , but checking also for double entries ...seems doable but in a lifetime

I must even confess a secret desire to not only create 5 prebuild modulo but even to addoa "Create a new Modulo" option ,
but if i should also consider the iterations of the new modulo with the others and create correspondent userprofiles, then without some automatism looks a hopeless scenario ...

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:59 am  (#131) 
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TLDR;

Each user with his own profile is already taken care of... Each user can use Edit/Profile -> Folders to add folders to those Gimp searches for additional stuff. These folders can be the user's own, or specific folders set up by a benevolent admin and shared by users.

I think you are drowning yourself in a management nightmare. Instead of looking at exceptions, look at the common stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:21 am  (#132) 
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@Ofnuts
the fact is that i have so diverging interests and from subtle photoretouch to animation . ..i am myself 10 different users using same program in totally different way

Your suggestion is the best till now (not the last to forgot about and do something simpler, that about userprofiles )

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:23 am  (#133) 
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it would be possible support also 7zip, not only zip ?

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:01 pm  (#134) 
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About supported format , why only .zip and not also .7zip for storage is supported ?
.7zip is more effective in reduce file size ...do you think possible add support for 7zipped addons

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:05 pm  (#135) 
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About supported format , why only .zip and not also .7zip for storage is supported ?
.7zip is more effective in reduce file size ...do you think possible add support for 7zipped addons


I don't support formats that are not natively supported by the Python libraries (7z support is available in Python3, but Gimp uses Python 2.7). 7z is a nice format but for this application there isn't much gain in using it, the stuff that takes the more space (PNG patterns) doesn't compress too well. My set of random PNG only gives a 5% bonus to 7z over Zip, but this makes 7z use only 10% less space that the uncompressed files (and, on Linux and OSX, not using a Zip/7z archive allows the plugin to make links, which is a lot faster).

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and, on Linux and OSX, not using a Zip/7z archive allows the plugin to make links, which is a lot faster


It was a good idea read again, i almost overlooked this point , quite decisive

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 Post subject: Re: Improved MrQ add-on manager (dinasset's request)
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I saw this and tried it because the old MrQ had a problem where it would lock Layer Groups open whenever you used it. I have to say that I like this much better and was infinitely easier to set up and use.

Unfortunately I am still having the same problem. I didn't see anyone else with this problem and it actually took me a while to figure it out with the MrQ manager in the first place. If it is only happening to me, would anyone have an idea how to track it down further?

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Hmm. What do you mean by "lock the layers group open"? I have no problem manipulating layers and opening/closing groups when the script is displaying a window.

Also, in typical usage, you don't keep it permanently open...

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ofnuts wrote:
Hmm. What do you mean by "lock the layers group open"? I have no problem manipulating layers and opening/closing groups when the script is displaying a window.

Also, in typical usage, you don't keep it permanently open...


Well I don't leave it open. If it is used at all then I am unable to open or close layer groups until I restart gimp. Even if I don't actually use the manager and just open and close it. I am at a loss on what to check for.

Here is the command line output when I start the brush manager.

loading menu '/home/akovia/bin/gimp-2.8/share/gimp/2.0/menus/dockable-menu.xml' for /dockable-popup
loading menu '/home/akovia/bin/gimp-2.8/share/gimp/2.0/menus/brushes-menu.xml' for /brushes-popup
Configuration initialized OK
Reading configuration file /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/addonCollectionManager.ini
Configuration file /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/addonCollectionManager.ini not found or not readable: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/addonCollectionManager.ini'
Creating manager for brushes
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes_storage/* for brushes
21 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes_storage/* for brushes
Manager of brushes created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.gbr', '.vbr', '.gih', '.abr', '.GBR', '.VBR', '.GIH')
Creating manager for fonts
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/fonts_storage/* for fonts
1 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/fonts_storage/* for fonts
Manager of fonts created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/fonts, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/fonts_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.ttf', '.otf', '.TTF', '.OTF')
Creating manager for patterns
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/patterns_storage/* for patterns
9 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/patterns_storage/* for patterns
Manager of patterns created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/patterns, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/patterns_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.png', '.pat', '.PNG', '.PAT')
Creating manager for palettes
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/palettes_storage/* for palettes
0 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/palettes_storage/* for palettes
Manager of palettes created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/palettes, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/palettes_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.pal', '.PAL')
Creating manager for scripts
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/scripts_storage/* for scripts
0 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/scripts_storage/* for scripts
Manager of scripts created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/scripts, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/scripts_storage, subdir: False, link: True, extensions: ('.scm', '.SCM')
Creating manager for dynamics
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/dynamics_storage/* for dynamics
0 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/dynamics_storage/* for dynamics
Manager of dynamics created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/dynamics, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/dynamics_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.gdyn', '.GDYN')
Creating manager for gradients
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/gradients_storage/* for gradients
16 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/gradients_storage/* for gradients
Manager of gradients created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/gradients, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/gradients_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.ggr', '.GGR')
Starting brushes manager
Configuration initialized OK
Reading configuration file /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/addonCollectionManager.ini
Configuration file /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/addonCollectionManager.ini not found or not readable: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/plug-ins/addonCollectionManager.ini'
Searching directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes_storage/* for brushes
21 directories as /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes_storage/* for brushes
Manager of brushes created OK: active: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes, stored: /home/akovia/.gimp-2.8/brushes_storage, subdir: True, link: True, extensions: ('.gbr', '.vbr', '.gih', '.abr', '.GBR', '.VBR', '.GIH')
Creating main dialog
Main dialog created
Scrollbox created
VBox created
Cancel button created
OK button created

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