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 Post subject: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:19 pm  (#1) 
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This is what i got here!

I found this tutorial its a PS tut though -> Create a Stunning Car Showroom Brochure

I don't know about stunning .. but I'll settle for mediocre! :hehe

Whilest I was playing around with it I understood the layer mask to create the reflection. But, I can't get the rotate and perspective right. After almost two hours it was time to pick the experts brains!

It's a 10mb .xcf file here's the link to it! --> http://handlersspot.net/gimpchat/goldbrick.xcf

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 Post subject: Re: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:55 pm  (#2) 
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There is one perspective + reflection filter available in the G'MIC plug-in. Maybe this is not what you are looking for, but it is probably worth a try.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:03 pm  (#3) 
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Oh you picked a good one didn't you. :lol :clap :ninja by David

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 Post subject: Re: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:04 pm  (#4) 
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I saw that one and the other .scm filter that Mahvin wrote about. Neither does what I'm trying to accomplish. It'll just go front wheel to front wheel and try and tilt the whole image.

This is more of how a car would appear in a brochure.

Rod,

I pick a good subject do tackle?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:11 pm  (#5) 
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There is one perspective + reflection filter available in the G'MIC plug-in. Maybe this is not what you are looking for, but it is probably worth a try.
Where is that located, David? I can find Perspective and Reflection but no Perspective + Reflection. (G'MIC really needs an Index).

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:16 pm  (#6) 
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Saulgoode's duplicate mirror script, a layer mask, and black/white gradient fill.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:37 pm  (#7) 
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I would get a different car :lol
One that sits on more of a horizontal plane. :ninja :ninja

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:38 pm  (#8) 
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O it is the Reflection filter i think David was speaking about. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:40 pm  (#9) 
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you follow the steps well but you chose the wrong car ;
it is almost impossible do the same trick with nice result with that car, the problem is the prospective that is not adapt to a mirror reflection

it is too oblique if you look to the example that car look well even if aligned on a horizontal line (the line that should become the mirror axis) while yours doesn't so or the reflection diverge or anyway looks fake

Anyway the result of the tuts look good but almost by miracle (he cover up with solid black ..the problems , and did it well)
the problem is that the reflection is wrong , even if he make look nice

:ninja By Rod, twice

yes there is even a cool filter for mirror reflection but that car remain not adapt to the job

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:51 pm  (#10) 
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I don't think even the Cage Transform tool would work on this. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:58 pm  (#11) 
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Utilizing layer masks, and removing the underside of the car worked for me. Unless we're talking some sort of twisted perfectionism here, I don't see why the need for "the perfect" image to start with.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:02 pm  (#12) 
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if you fixed i am curious to see your result



i can't find the right words to explain why the reflection used in the tut is totally wrong,
it is the prospective, supposing that the car stand on a mirror from the observer POW the mirrored image would be quite different and would show a bit of the bottom of the car

The author masked well the error but the error remain...just close the eyes and think to that car with that prospective standing on a mirror...could you imagine the right reflection ?
(Not hard to imagine but hard to do :
would be needed a image of the same car but taken from a different POW for the reflection

To make easier you may chose a image with a frontal or a profile of the car, in that case may be just sufficient use the prospective tool on the reflection to make it realistic

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 Post subject: Re: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:11 pm  (#13) 
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PC: Unless you have an image actually showing the underside of the car, that image process would be impossible to obtain (of course you can paint/paste one onto the image). This is just a simple reflection fade that still looks stunning (do you not agree?).

Now, if I were a digital media graphic artist working for the car manufacturer, then I would have access to every side of the vehicle (including under it) and probably just shoot a series of images using a camera.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:13 pm  (#14) 
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Rod wrote:
I would get a different car :lol


Why you gotta break on my ride man? I bought new in '05, it's 100% paid for and the only thing I've put into it are brakes and preventive maintenance. I'd buy another Kia in a heartbeat. And it's the most comfortable thing to ride in 12 straight hours. Only thing is it is under powered at 200hp for a curb weight of 4,021.

U hurt my feelings, the few that I have left that my wife hasn't ruined yet. :cry:

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if you fixed i am curious to see your result



i can't find the right words to explain why the reflection used in the tut is totally wrong,
it is the prospective, supposing that the car stand on a mirror from the observer POW the mirrored image would be quite different and would show a bit of the bottom of the car

The author masked well the error but the error remain...just close the eyes and think to that car with that prospective standing on a mirror...could you imagine the right reflection ?
(Not hard to imagine but hard to do :
would be needed a image of the same car but taken from a different POW for the reflection

To make easier you may chose a image with a frontal or a profile of the car, in that case may be just sufficient use the prospective tool on the reflection to make it realistic


And I understand were you're coming from as well.

mahvin wrote:
PC: Unless you have an image actually showing the underside of the car, that image process would be impossible to obtain (of course you can paint/paste one onto the image). This is just a simple reflection fade that still looks stunning (do you not agree?).

Now, if I were a digital media graphic artist working for the car manufacturer, then I would have access to every side of the vehicle (including under it) and probably just shoot a series of images using a camera.


Roger that!

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 Post subject: Re: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:32 pm  (#15) 
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well... you know that i am a fanatic of mirrors and mapping so i am very picky about reflections

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:35 pm  (#16) 
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Uhh i meant a different image of the car sorry Mr Biggz! :lol
I like the ride...very nice.I drive a Taurus wagon myself.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:57 pm  (#17) 
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Here's something to consider when trying to create a reflection, perspective or not.

You'll never simulate a true "reflection" of an object that is slightly raised off a reflective surface, as with this image. The reason is that there will be a reflection of the underside of the object that will not be in a simple flipped image.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:02 pm  (#18) 
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Roger that Tux ...

I guess what we're doing is more of an illusion then a reflection.

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 Post subject: Re: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:06 pm  (#19) 
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Here's my try ..

? Do you think I should just mask out the back end of the car? My eye spies that reflection should parallel to it rather than at an angle?

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 Post subject: Re: Persepctive reflection .. how?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:51 pm  (#20) 
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So, is there anything I can do to make this better?

And don't say use another car (Rod :lol ). The purpose of using my car as a car was just to use a photographed car. Not one that has been staged and like the others had pointed out the reflection would be fake unless you had the under carriage of the car to work with.

I don't think it looks half bad considering the reflection is optically wrong! :roll: :hehe ;)

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