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 Post subject: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:53 pm  (#1) 
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suppose you have 1 image
the image fill the very center of a grid of 9 identical rectangles, but the 8 rectangles around are at the moment just blanck and must be filled

To fill you must mirror the image, in the different directions
You may start with left ,right ,top and down...that will fill well 4 of the 8 rectangles at the periphery

The riddle is how to mirror along the diagonals ?
Note that the 4 along the diagonals should merge well not only with the image at the center but also with the other 4 at the perifery...

PS i add here a visual example and the solution

PROBLEM : MIRROR in all diretions the image at the center

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FIRST STEP

to fill at left and right create 2 dup and mirror both horizontally
to fill above and below create 2 dup and mirror both vertically

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Once done that the solution come easily

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 Post subject: Re: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:54 pm  (#2) 
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Uhm... is this some sort of Scripting thing... I have a feeling about that, but anyways, Picture to explain better... as I really can't visualize these type of things, and I think it would help others too.
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 Post subject: Re: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:02 pm  (#3) 
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Not exactly understanding what you are trying to do PC; picture may be worth a 1000 words here. When I want to make a diagonal seamless texture (the source has to be both square (not rectangle) and seamless) is to use Simple's Diamond filter. Yes, the sample is seamless. :)


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 Post subject: Re: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:24 pm  (#4) 
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OKAY ...soon back with a visual example

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:27 pm  (#5) 
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Looks like a dither blend with squares instead of dots and only applied selectively. Don't know of a way to automate this one PC. Either masking or erase throughs for a result like this one. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:31 pm  (#6) 
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He is gonna do something with that I believe, as he added that and his message implied he would be back with an example and that is probably the original, and it shows no evidence he has edited that post.
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 Post subject: Re: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:41 pm  (#7) 
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OOPPPSS No that was not the visual example, not at all !! I deleted but i forgot that i have to delete the allegate too or will show up the same..sorry

That was a random image to be mirrored laterally and diagonally, but i had no time to complete the the example

I wrote soon... but i didn't intend so soon !!
i will edit the FIRST post to add the example at soon i may ,sorry for the confusion

PS i know well how is done that effect, i did it !!
It was Graphic Novel + cartoonize filter

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 Post subject: Re: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:52 pm  (#8) 
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So are you gonna make a script to do this then? Pretty sure, from my understanding of this, you are asking for help making a script to do whatever you are asking for, which is still slightly beyond me

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:28 pm  (#9) 
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Rectangles with an odd horizontal offset from center have their E/W reversed, those with an odd vertical offset from center have their N/S reversed, in the diagonal you are either identical to center or with both N/S and E/W reversed. And yes on the diagonal you'll be a mirror of you 4 neighbors (symmetry with the sides, you also have symmetry over the corners).

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:03 pm  (#10) 
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Thank ofnuts you got the question:
the problem to make a example as required by Lylejk was that if i was able to post a visual example i
would already solved the riddle

But happened the contrary at soon i tried to make a visual example i solved the riddle, coming to your same solution

anyway a example is good to clear; i chose a totally asimmetric image to explain

i have 1 image at the center of a grid i want it mirrored in all direction and i want be able to add more sectors to the periphery in a coerent way

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now in my mind the second step was clear

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less clear ( even if now with a visual example seems easy ) was how fill the rest of the grid, so mirror along the diagonals

If i would have created the image above the soluction would be popped out effortless, too bad i did only in my mind so i was lost

But i soon i did i come to the same solution proposed by ofnuts:

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OOPSS sorry for the ugly lines and the mis-allignment i did manually too in hurry but i hope now the concept is more clear.

At soon i try to wrote it down as mirror-y, mirror-x ..again i feel confused
But Luckily i may assign a name to all the sectors(duplicated layers) to keep track of what visually seems trivial



@Lylejk

I am really sorry for the pain that fill you and your father, you reply to my riddle make me understand how much that hurt you , even more then your post on your father grief

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:59 pm  (#11) 
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I've seen something similar to this for creating boxes. Maybe it was at sourceforge or the Registry. Will do a quick search to see if I can find this again. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:08 pm  (#12) 
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What about Sauls flip and mirror script?
Could it be edited to flip in all different coordinates (x, y, and z)?
I am not thinking Cartesian movement in real space (like a robotic movement) i am referencing N,NE,NW,S,SW,SE,W,E basically.

Isn't that what you are saying you want PC?
A script that flips and mirrors all 8 points of the compass?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:14 pm  (#13) 
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OK PC; found the term anyway; I know I seen a program or GIMP tut that can do this, but can't find it now. It's orthographic projection. Maybe you can find it and share it with us. Maybe there might even be a mathmap preset to create this type of projection. :)

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That would be sweet for kaleidoscope effects. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:26 pm  (#15) 
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i want do that with gmic, more exactly i need a snippet of code to do that, to be combined with...well as example with Stained Glass (but not only)

But i didn't find any gmic command called "align"
Do you know synonimous for align ?

how the heck may be called in english something to...well to align to the left to the right, above and below (now i found how take care of the diagonals ...at least in a matrix of 9 :mrgreen: )

@Rod
that is a good tip ,only script fu is based on gimp command and in this case i fear will not help me so much to find equivalent gmic command

@ Lylejk

i saw your message now while i was posting

Brilliant! Ortographic Projection!!
i must have done hundreds of Ortographic projection without know ...
Not sure for MM but Panini should have it...




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:46 am  (#16) 
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I used to have a javascript for orthographic boxes. Hmmmm.... I haven't thought of it in ages. The script basically unfolded a box for pattern making, so you could make your own boxes.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:32 am  (#17) 
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may be soon a otion added to gmic mirrored array
http://www.flickr.com/groups/gmic/discu ... 330978744/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:01 pm  (#18) 
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I did this mathmap mirrortile code a while back, will that do? You would have to flip your original (center) image both ways first to get the middle image of the array correct.

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 Post subject: Re: A Riddle for Lylejk ,Ofnut, Mahvin, RobA...
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:15 pm  (#19) 
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thank RobA downloading now i bet will be useful

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:55 pm  (#20) 
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RobA

That MM script do exactly the trick i just try now

BEFORE

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the black lines were already on the original so is perfect.
I didn't play much with the MM composer but i feel very tempted now with such good ingredient

would be possible edit the script to add a option to increase the layer size instead then mantain the original size (yes i know will be much bigger and could be very risky to use such options on already large image :wh ... )

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