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 Post subject: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:21 am  (#1) 
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I am beyond excited right now :jumpclap I just bought one of these on eBay. That is going to make a serious workstation. The board is coming with dual-core processors on it. So right now it is a pretty weak 8-core setup. But I can upgrade to 6-core CPUs and have a total of 24 cores weaving pixels on my screen. I know GIMP allows you to specify how many cores to use also. So I'm hoping it really can make the most of all of that.

As soon as I have any progress to report I'll start a build thread for those who may be interested. I think I may try some custom water cooling. That would be amusing.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:05 pm  (#2) 
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Sasquatch wrote:
I am beyond excited right now :jumpclap I just bought one of these on eBay. That is going to make a serious workstation. The board is coming with dual-core processors on it. So right now it is a pretty weak 8-core setup. But I can upgrade to 6-core CPUs and have a total of 24 cores weaving pixels on my screen. I know GIMP allows you to specify how many cores to use also. So I'm hoping it really can make the most of all of that.

As soon as I have any progress to report I'll start a build thread for those who may be interested. I think I may try some custom water cooling. That would be amusing.


Four AMD processors... Time to buy some shares of your electricity provider.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:31 pm  (#3) 
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Better off getting a solid state drive and max out your RAM. 4 6-core processors is freaking ridiculous. lol

Like ofnuts said; hate to be paying your power bill (as I understand it, each processor would max out at I believe 30W so 120W of power; of course, I could be wrong). Regardless, it is getting to be Winter so at least your room will be warm enough. lol

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:44 pm  (#4) 
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Good luck Sasquatch and let us know how the build goes.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:25 pm  (#5) 
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Smokin'!!! Wow, that's way beyond cool!!!

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:38 pm  (#6) 
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Ofnuts- Yeah, I'm a bit worried about that. Supermicro recommends a minimum of 1,000 watts to run the board.

Lylejk- The TDP of the processors I want to use is 135W if I remember correctly. So 540W just from the processors. Eek. But that will only be when it's wide open. And, honestly, how often would that be?

Wallace- You know I'll be posting like a proud new daddy. It may still take a while to get going. I got a screaming deal on the board but the rest of the parts will probably be brand new. Can't drop that kind of change all at once.

Oregonian- I'm hoping it turns out as epic as I think it will. Time will tell.

The one concern I have at the moment is whether the onboard video is adequate. Sumpermicro says the PCI-E x16 slot cannot be populated with a VGA card. I don't understand why that would be. Seems the slot shouldn't care what is in it.

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:38 pm  (#7) 
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Sasquatch wrote:
Ofnuts- Yeah, I'm a bit worried about that. Supermicro recommends a minimum of 1,000 watts to run the board.

Lylejk- The TDP of the processors I want to use is 135W if I remember correctly. So 540W just from the processors. Eek. But that will only be when it's wide open. And, honestly, how often would that be?

Wallace- You know I'll be posting like a proud new daddy. It may still take a while to get going. I got a screaming deal on the board but the rest of the parts will probably be brand new. Can't drop that kind of change all at once.

Oregonian- I'm hoping it turns out as epic as I think it will. Time will tell.

The one concern I have at the moment is whether the onboard video is adequate. Sumpermicro says the PCI-E x16 slot cannot be populated with a VGA card. I don't understand why that would be. Seems the slot shouldn't care what is in it.


I'm not very familiar with this motherboard.
It has the on-board ATI ES1000 Graphics Controller.
Which I can remember reading somewhere,
about the difficulty people had finding drivers for it,
with windows 7 due to it's age.
This might be something to include in your research,
if you haven't already.

It's also odd that this board would not support a vga card.

If you use a video card/gpu and install the drivers for it.
With most motherboards,
the on-board video would usually be auto turned off when using a video card.

However,
this is a server motherboard.
A gpu/video card is not generally used with this type of motherboard.
This doesn't mean that any installed gpu won't function,
but I could be wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:06 pm  (#8) 
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It seems the problem with video cards on this board is mechanical. Apparently there's a spacing issue of some sort. So that may be resolved with an extender or something. The board has a proprietary mounting configuration so I was already needing to build a case for it. It should be fairly simple to work in a way to add a graphics card. Worst case scenario, I use one of those external cards designed for laptops.

My first priority is to get the power supply. I have the necessary peripherals to fire it up and see if it posts. But I don't have a power supply. Do you think a cheap PSU would be adequate just to get it to post? I don't want to risk smoking the board. But I don't have the $200 for the PSU right now. I know I could get something cheaper. But I already ruined one high-end build with a cheap PSU. I'd prefer to do it right this time.

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:40 pm  (#9) 
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Sasquatch wrote:
It seems the problem with video cards on this board is mechanical.
Apparently there's a spacing issue of some sort.
So that may be resolved with an extender or something.
The board has a proprietary mounting configuration so I was already needing to build a case for it.
It should be fairly simple to work in a way to add a graphics card.
Worst case scenario,
I use one of those external cards designed for laptops.

My first priority is to get the power supply.
I have the necessary peripherals to fire it up and see if it posts.
But I don't have a power supply.
Do you think a cheap PSU would be adequate just to get it to post?
I don't want to risk smoking the board.
But I don't have the $200 for the PSU right now.
I know I could get something cheaper.
But I already ruined one high-end build with a cheap PSU.
I'd prefer to do it right this time.

I wouldn't suggest purchasing a "budget" PSU.
To use as your primary source of power.
Especially given the number of cpu's and amount of ram potential that this board has.

From the looks of things.
You seem to have quite the project at hand.

One thing I've heard many times is,
"to never skimp on the PSU".
This I believe wholeheartedly.

Cheap components and/or an inadequately designed psu.
Can cause poor performance and instability.
The longevity of this build would be questionable at best.
Due to the power hungry cpu's and other components.
Not to say that expensive brand name PSU's won't have duds,
but it's a crap-shoot whether a cheap PSU will cause your system not to boot,
crash,
or burn up taking other valuable components with it.
A good system needs clean,
stable,
reliable power.
I don't feel it's worth the risk skimping on a PSU.

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:19 am  (#10) 
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Wallace wrote:
I wouldn't suggest purchasing a "budget" PSU.
To use as your primary source of power.
Especially given the number of cpu's and amount of ram potential that this board has.

From the looks of things.
You seem to have quite the project at hand.

One thing I've heard many times is,
"to never skimp on the PSU".
This I believe wholeheartedly.

Cheap components and/or an inadequately designed psu.
Can cause poor performance and instability.
The longevity of this build would be questionable at best.
Due to the power hungry cpu's and other components.
Not to say that expensive brand name PSU's won't have duds,
but it's a crap-shoot whether a cheap PSU will cause your system not to boot,
crash,
or burn up taking other valuable components with it.
A good system needs clean,
stable,
reliable power.
I don't feel it's worth the risk skimping on a PSU.

I agree. But just to be clear, I'm only talking about briefly firing the system up to make sure it's functional before I start spending more money on it. I can get a much cheaper PSU now that I can save for a pending project and use it just to make sure this board is good. Or would that still be too risky? I already have my eye on the correct PSU for this build but I'd hate to spend $200 on that PSU only to find out the board is scrap.

On a related note, what should I look for in a graphics card for this application? All the recommendations I find online are geared towards gaming. I'm not sure the same criteria apply to digital art.

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:19 am  (#11) 
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If the PSU is not good it will make the board unstable, and you won't know which part is the problem. In other words, you can easily tell that both PSU and Board are good, but it's hard to tell which is bad.

Now, since you are asking about the graphics card: an image editing application is much more likely to be designed to use the graphics card than to use all these cores, and even if graphics cards are power guzzlers, they still guzzle less power per floating point operation than a regular CPU when you can use their parallel computation power, which is often the case in computer graphics.

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ofnuts wrote:
If the PSU is not good it will make the board unstable, and you won't know which part is the problem. In other words, you can easily tell that both PSU and Board are good, but it's hard to tell which is bad.
Too unstable to even verify that the BIOS is alive? Is there any way to test a motherboard without powering it up? The seller says it's been tested. And it isn't just some shmuck selling things out of his garage. So I'm probably fine. I'm just paranoid about some things.

ofnuts wrote:
Now, since you are asking about the graphics card: an image editing application is much more likely to be designed to use the graphics card than to use all these cores, and even if graphics cards are power guzzlers, they still guzzle less power per floating point operation than a regular CPU when you can use their parallel computation power, which is often the case in computer graphics.
True. But everybody has a graphics card. Not everybody has a quad-socket workstation :geek And GIMP does allow you to set a number of cores under the preferences. So I'm assuming it has the algorithms to make use of those cores. I also intend to do other computationally-intensive things like compiling programs. And I tend to do several of these things at once. That's where more cores really shine. Mainly, though, it just makes me giggle. And that's what life is all about.

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 Post subject: Re: First part for my new workstation is on the way!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:48 am  (#13) 
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Sasquatch wrote:
True. But everybody has a graphics card. Not everybody has a quad-socket workstation :geek And GIMP does allow you to set a number of cores under the preferences. So I'm assuming it has the algorithms to make use of those cores. I also intend to do other computationally-intensive things like compiling programs. And I tend to do several of these things at once. That's where more cores really shine. Mainly, though, it just makes me giggle. And that's what life is all about.

Gimp allows you to set the number of cores, but nothing says it uses them. I have that set to 4 (2+2 cores on my Core i5 processor) and if I launch a big Gaussian blur on a very big image, only one core is ever active during the several minutes of processing (both "Filters" and "GEGL Tools" implementations).

People are not stupid, and usually purchase the more efficient thing. So unless you have vastly different requirements (but fast graphics is a common requirement between you and gamers) you are better off getting more or less the popular gear (especially since the high number of purchasers makes for more options and more competitive prices).

Compiling programs is not CPU intensive these days. It is mostly I/O bound, due to include file avalanche. Better spend your money on SSDs (faster, quieter, more frugal).

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:01 am  (#14) 
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I definitely want SSDs. But I need to research more. I keep hearing people say that writing to them shortens their lifespan. Which seems bizarre to me. What I can't find out is whether that's an effect that would be apparent in a home application or whether it's only of concern for applications that move a lot of data.

That's strange that GIMP doesn't use the extra cores. Why bother allowing you to set a preference that makes no difference? Oh well. I'll still be able to multitask while filters run in the background. And when I progress into Blender it may make more of a difference. Like I said, I'm primarily building a quad-socket machine because that's what makes me giggle.

Thanks for the tip about the graphics card. I may get a cheapo one just to see if I can make it work on that board and then upgrade once I know it can work. I can always put the cheap one in my HTPC build since that doesn't need much.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:10 am  (#15) 
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Sasquatch wrote:
I agree. But just to be clear,
I'm only talking about briefly firing the system up
to make sure it's functional before I start spending more money on it.
I can get a much cheaper PSU now that I can save for a pending project and use it just to make sure this board is good.
Or would that still be too risky?
I already have my eye on the correct PSU for this build but I'd hate to spend $200 on that PSU only to find out the board is scrap.


Of course there's a risk.
All it takes is one flick of the switch to find this out.

Even if I didn't yet have the correct PSU.
I would still use a PSU that I know is reliable.
I have such a PSU just for this kind of thing.

I wouldn't use an off brand,
unrated or sketchy PSU for testing.

I feel that one would need,
and should use a PSU that is known to be reliable.
Especially when testing components for functionality.

You want the best possible environment,
when testing any computer components.
Not the other way around.

If you don't have a reliable PSU for testing.
Perhaps you could call around and ask a local computer repair shop,
if they would be willing to test the board for you?
Who knows..
they may even test the board for you at no cost.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:24 am  (#16) 
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Going to a shop is a good idea. But I may just wait til I can swing the PSU I want. Don't know any reputable shops in my area.

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Sasquatch wrote:
Going to a shop is a good idea.
But I may just wait til I can swing the PSU I want.
Don't know any reputable shops in my area.


That's too bad,
about the shops in your area.
:(

I think waiting until you get a reliable PSU for testing,
is a good plan of action.

Take care when un-boxing the new PSU.
In case you find out that the board is shot.
At least you might be able to return the PSU,
as well as the board and get your money back.
Unless of course you have other plans for this PSU in the future.

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Wallace wrote:
Take care when un-boxing the new PSU.
In case you find out that the board is shot.
At least you might be able to return the PSU,
as well as the board and get your money back.
Unless of course you have other plans for this PSU in the future.[/font]

Hadn't thought about returning the PSU. May be too late to return the mobo by then- depends on how long it takes to get the PSU.

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Yay!

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This thing is HUGE!

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Yay!

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This thing is HUGE!

:wow
Looks like you're going to need some kind of server chassis/case.

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