I desaturated the GEGL easter egg image; non-destructively of course and used the color picker and it still works ignoring the grayscale modifications.
The same happens when I rotate the hue or use colorize. The color picker always grabs the layers original color.

There are two things I am posting about here. First, I have no idea why but sometimes warp transform is non-destructive and other times it is not non-destructive.


Unrelated to warp transform I found an interesting behaviour that involves the preview line and non-destructive filters. Below is a screenshot of my GEGL plugins "align tool" and "Clouds" being used with two drop shadows. All non-destructive and clouds is using the "behind" blend mode.


When I split preview my plugin "alignment" it shows all three other filters conforming to the split view, clouds looks normal but the two drop shadows that make an outline and shadow are applying on the split preview line.


To download these two plugins go here. They work in Gimp 2.10 as well (destructive of course)
https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/GEGL-Clo ... /releases/
https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/Gimp_Ali ... /releases/

Here is me trying to recreate my advance text styling plugins with native Gimp filters alone and no plugins of mine or GEGL Graph syntax. The one exception is a GEGL Graph that calls gimp:threshold-alpha because I could not find that command in the menu.

This GMM plugin mock up fails hard because there is no id and ref



However recreating simple plugins of mine using GEGL filters alone in Gimp does work because they are simple.


But why run 4 filters manually to create a "Custom Bevel" Effect when you could just download my plugin here that does it all in one filter?
https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/GEGL-Cus ... l/releases




The simple plugins of mine that only use a few commands will be deprecated by this build. But the advance text stylers will not as they cannot be replicated just by chaining filters. For example, no matter how many GEGL filters one chains they will never be able to recreate my "inner glow" effect because it requires GEGL only blend modes that Gimp's GUI does not have access too and GEGL (id and ref) which isn't present in the "layer effects".

Back in 2022 one person told me once Gimp gets non-destructive editing they will be able to have workflows similar to my GEGL Graph syntax writing. This is mostly wrong outside of simple things and here I will explain why in clear detail.

This is the code to render my inner glow plugin in GEGL Graph without installing it. The 9 underlined commands are options that are available in GEGL Graph syntax within Gimp, but not Gimp's GUI and even if they were available in Gimp's GUI it would just be a complicated list of dozens of non-destructive filters instead of just one filter called "Inner Glow".




Here is a preview of my plugins "Custom Bevel" and "Inner Glow" chained together. Inner Glow is blended with Grain Merge and is on mid opacity. If this was possible without my plugins (which it isn't) it would take dozens of filters (probably like 30) instead of just two.



If you want to download my Inner Glow plugin go here, it ships with my layer effects engine "GEGL Effects" Inner Glow has both a stand alone mode and a mode inside GEGL effects.
https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/GEGL-Eff ... L/releases

contrast_ To answer a few questions:

- Any tool that uses GEGL operations could technically be non-destructive. The ones without GUIs are (at the moment) automatically set to be destructive when merging (e.g. Linear Invert in the color menu could be a layer effect if applied with GEGL Graph, but it seems like users would prefer it to be destructive by default).

- Tools like Warp and Cage Transform also use GEGL, but cause problems if you mess with them in the layer effects menu while the tool is active. In the latest build we've added more protections against merging them down and causing a crash.

- Right now the selection tool operates on the source layer's raw pixel buffer. There's a new function in this branch that lets us get the "merged image" for exports, and we could use that to make the selection tool take the filter effect(s) into account. However, we don't want to potentially break something as important as the selection tool in an initial release, so we'll likely do that in the future after there's been more thorough testing of the layer effects code.

- My guess regarding id and ref is that we currently don't search the parent graph. Basically, layer effects look like this:

So IDs in Layer Effect 1 can't be seen in the sibling Layer Effects 2 or 3. This could be solved either by either allowing multiple effects per filter, or by adding code to search the entire filter stack and pass that information to individual graphs. Not a 3.0 feature, but something to look at in the future.

I figured out how to make this build usable for real work of mine. I can pretty much use any filter except Hue Saturation and Curves and I have to use the Levels in GEGL operations not the normal one in the main menu. If I don't do this those filters will work until restart where the .xcf will be corrupted.

I also run
flatpak run org.gimp.GIMP -n on my machine to access normal Gimp 2.10 or Gimp 2.99 that is not non-destructive. The N is for new instance so multiple versions of Gimp can run together.

Moving on to the workflow of the light house building...


Original Image WITHOUT EDITS


Edits preview - Layer 2 is an green selection on LCh Color and has no filters


Final Result Maybe I should have done a hue-saturation on red to brighten the roof? but that would have corrupted the xcf file on restart

I used the "Brightness Contrast" in GEGL operations as the one in Gimp's main menu causes the corruption on reopening the xcf.

Original Image


GEGL Edits showing the layer effects



Final Image (includes manual clone tool touch up on the fishes tail)

Regarding the clone tool. Unlike the color picker and selection tool it actually does remember layer info it samples

If you run the clone tool with effects it will remember them. If you run the clone tool without effects it will NOT remember them.
THIS IS GREAT!!!



--- also here is a new bug I found and I think it is triggered by opening a layer with main menu brightness contrast--



From what I understand in GEGL "Children (new_child)" are operations to be used in a larger operation. My GEGL plugins call many nodes listed as new_child nodes within it. I hope this bug gets solved.

I am DYING to be notified about an update where CMYK Student's build remembers colors. (like I can run drop shadow, change the color and it is not reset to a default color) Because I figured out how to make this part of my workflow in Gimp but the limitations are huge. No layer mask, no to most (gimp:) menu operations and no to any filter that has a color picker on non default options.

Original Image (resized and cropped)


During Modification time




Modified Image with GEGL filters

This build of Gimp has a new GEGL filter called Voronoi diagram which is basically a port of an old gimp script fu to GEGL made by someone else back in the early 2000s. I decided to chain this new filter with sharpening filters and my plugin "Glass Text"

To learn more about my plugin "glass text" go here.
https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/Glass_Te ... /GlassText

Here is novel Voronoi Diagram, Levels, Glass Text (my plugin), Drop Shadow, Difference of Gaussian (Overlay) and Sharpen together. It is editable.


Now the background is a gradient to make it cooler.


Now its off the charts awesome



oh btw, If I figure out how to port Voronoi Diagram to Gimp 2.10 (which should definitely be possible) I can make a plugin of this for Gimp 2.10 and 3 but it will be destructive.

I recreated my Glossy Balloon plugin in a static preview with GEGL syntax in CMYK's Gimp build. The GEGL Graph filter is code for Glossy Balloon, and here I explain why it is IMPOSSIBLE to recreate this plugin just by adding new filters. It only works by writing GEGL syntax. Below is said syntax to recreate Glossy Balloon.



GEGL Syntax to make a simple version of my glossy Balloon plugin


Because Gimp's GUI lacks the ability to put more then one filter in a GEGL composer Glossy Balloon is impossible to recreate just by chaining filters.



But if we are practical there is no need to "recreate" glossy Balloon and instead just download the plugin here.
https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/GEGL-glo ... g/releases

It has a simple GUI fun to use!

NEW BUG FOUND WHILE MAKING THIS POST!

I restored the session after Gimp crashed when Glossy Balloon was running and then this happened.

Glossy Balloon double stacked as both itself and another copy of itself named "Editing Filter".







@CMYK_Student, check out this bug!

I compiled Voronoi diagram filter from Gimp 2.99x and got it working on Gimp 2.10 (even though Gimp's team never intended this, it worked) so I might make a plugin of the stained glass text. But it will be really slow.

Another bug to report

gegl:checkerboard (the filter) crashes the 2.99 build after applying and going to re-edit it.

AMAZING NEWS!

A few hours ago CMYK Student's non-destructive build of Gimp merged with Gimp 2.99's master branch. The next release of 2.99 (probably Sunday) will have it.


* earlier, I incorrectly reported the color change bug was fixed. IT STILL EXIST

Two new updates have been found by me in the master branch.

1. Gimp now warns the user that dropshadow and many plugins of mine will not remember GEGL color.

Though it does it in a technical way instead of simple English.
Hopefully in the future it does support gegl:color/color-overlay without needing to change any GEGL filters.


2. Missing GEGL plugins report nothing but it doesn't crash Gimp anymore.

GEGL Effects CE is a non-destructive filter and if I remove its binaries from
/home/contrast/.local/share/gegl-0.4/plug-ins and restart Gimp there is no crash (unlike before) but still no warning either.

Here is GEGL Effects applying and after doing this I put an RGB noise filter below it.


Then I removed GEGL Effects binary and restarted Gimp and only RGB noise booted.



We are making progress!

contrast_ Yes, once Jehan's color space branch is merged (the last roadblock for 2.99.18), the filters will have support for GeglColors automatically. I could add code to handle the conversion from GeglColor to GimpRGB and back, but since GimpRGB will be replaced soon anyway it's counterproductive.

Non-existent filters discarded on load should still give you some warning - I'll look into why they aren't. Also, your checkerboard crash should be fixed. There's likely a regression where some uncommon properties aren't being reloaded on import since we're doing that manually rather than relying on GEGL's API, but we'll try to get that fixed as well.

Good to hear. I found a work around by writing GEGL syntax (shown below) just to make up for the fact that it does NOT remember gegl:color

Reduce Color Green (color overlay on grain extract 0.09 opacity)


and

Outline Blue


It remembers the syntax html color code atleast.

The missing keyboard shortcut bug in Gimp 2.99 never existed publicly (it was unique to my setup)


One of the bugs I reported with Gimp 2.99 was highly unique to my system caused by a GTK3 Global app called "Plotinus". I found out how to exclude Plotinus from running with Gimp 2.99 and the bug resolved. Plotinus is a tool to run command searches on GTK3 apps. For some weird reason Gimp conflicted with it.

I'm just posting this here to let people know the bug is solved and no one has to worry.

Gimp vs old commercial software thead
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=20731
I have a thread here where I talk about CMYK Student's Gimp build here, and Gimp in general and how it compares to versions of Photoshop; and other commercial software from the distant past. In this screenshot we can see Photoshop from 1999 using a non-destructive glow filter. Not many filters in 1999 Photoshop were non-destructive but a few like shadow, glow and lighting effects were.


Controversial opinion, I think that Photoshop from 1999 is way better then the final release of Gimp 2.8 from 2017 but loses to 2.10 and up due to the live GEGL previews.

Also in the thread I pointed out that CMYK Student fixed a bug. Gimp can now use filters "Curves, Hue Sat, Color Balance" as re-editable filters even after Gimp is restarted. This bug fix is really exciting!