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 Post subject: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:28 am  (#1) 
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Previously I was getting some clients on fiverr but lately clients are virtually zero.
Initial version of ChatGPT don't know about GIMP Plug-ins, it only knew that it was programmed in python.
Now though, ChatGPT seems to know a lot of about GIMP plug-ins. I wouldn't doubt that it can even write GIMP plug-ins.
Anyways I thought in order to compete, I should lower my price of writing a plug-in for clients.
So now my price is $20 USD/plug-in on fiverr.
I am more interested in user cases like variety of them that come from clients.
Just thought I'd share that and link to my gig here: https://www.fiverr.com/tintran/write-yo ... 06d54dfcbb

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:02 am  (#2) 
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Gotta start saving up for a Tesla Bot.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:45 pm  (#3) 
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anyone seen We Robot, Tesla's show?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:56 pm  (#4) 
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Hope you do well Tran. You deserve it. I remember when i was creating flash action script videos for restaurant menu monitors how difficult it was to compete against other programmers for work. Those folks from Pakistan and India would way undercut my prices to get the clients. It was brutal. I wish you the best my friend.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:06 pm  (#5) 
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trandoductin wrote:
anyone seen We Robot, Tesla's show?


Haven't seen it yet. Can you view it on YouTube?

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:26 pm  (#6) 
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https://youtu.be/6v6dbxPlsXs
Skip because I think the first hour is like a screen saver of some sort lol

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:58 pm  (#7) 
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Rod wrote:
Hope you do well Tran. You deserve it. I remember when i was creating flash action script videos for restaurant menu monitors how difficult it was to compete against other programmers for work. Those folks from Pakistan and India would way undercut my prices to get the clients. It was brutal. I wish you the best my friend.

Thanks, I don't need clients desperately, but I want them because of possible user cases.
While not busy with clients I am gonna exercise now 'cause I think I am getting fatter lol

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:22 pm  (#8) 
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I chatted with a friend who's a Photoshop graphics designer asking if he knows graphic designers who use GIMP, he said everyone he knows are moving to Affinity.
This means that in the future I have even less chance of getting clients (at least not from that crowd).

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:39 pm  (#9) 
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Yeah the reason they are moving to Affinity is because right now you can get all three - Photo,Designer, and Publisher for a 6 month free trial period. Designer for vector art is the only one i use. But mostly it's Inkscape 1.4-beta 3.

Gimp is still my go-to for graphics though. ;)
Can't wait for Gimp-3.0 to be released so i can start writing plug-ins again. I got a cool idea for a Custom Font engine. That will really quicken the algorithm i use for Custom Fonts now. Which would include non destructive layers.

Thanks for the link BTW. :bigthup

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:47 pm  (#10) 
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Hah i love the robotic bartender. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 2:35 pm  (#11) 
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I want to save up for a Tesla bot, maybe not the 1st version but definitely want one if it works without problems.
In that spirit I want to grow my collection of plaid patterns to share with the world as well.
so I started this post
https://image-inspired-plaids.blogspot. ... plaid.html

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:12 pm  (#12) 
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I have no idea if plug-ins for GIMP 3.0 will be the same or completely different. Do you know?
ChatGPT will probably beat me to it.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:14 pm  (#13) 
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I like colorhunt.co so I started a site (it's free hosting right now with a limit of 5GB) so about 5000 plaids patterns can fit
But at some point I want to grow and make it into real paid hosting with more functionality.
Right now it does what I want lets user vote and I as admin can add new patterns
http://plaid.great-site.net/

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:19 pm  (#14) 
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Yeah I like it way more than blog format since you can see votes and many pattern at once.... blog feels like you gotta click and drill in too much

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:04 am  (#15) 
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trandoductin wrote:
I have no idea if plug-ins for GIMP 3.0 will be the same or completely different. Do you know?
ChatGPT will probably beat me to it.


It's a touch and go with SCM plug-ins. Some load and you then have to figure out their deprecated values.
For instance i believe gimp-get-fontname is now gimp-get-extens-font. Not sure though. Haven't really tested it yet. I also haven't tested any plug-ns (executables, and python). I think they are fixing the API and PDB for 3.0 after the first release candidate. For 3rd party plug-ins that is.

I can get a lot of the older SCM plug-ins to load including a few of my own. Getting them to work with the new PDB calls however is another story. But i believe if you can get them to load into the menus you should be able to figure out the PDB for the correct coding as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:31 am  (#16) 
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trandoductin wrote:
I have no idea if plug-ins for GIMP 3.0 will be the same or completely different. Do you know?

They will be quite different. You can get an idea from the plug-ins folder of the repo here:
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/t ... ins/python

foggify.py serves as a kind of model plug-in.
Also each of them goes into their own folder. foggify.py goes into a folder named foggify and so on.

None of the old python2 stuff will work as is.


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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:48 am  (#17) 
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None of the old python2 stuff will work as is.


I am pretty sure Gimp-2.99.19 and Gimp-3.0 use Python 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:50 am  (#18) 
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trandoductin wrote:
Previously I was getting some clients on fiverr but lately clients are virtually zero.
Initial version of ChatGPT don't know about GIMP Plug-ins, it only knew that it was programmed in python.
Now though, ChatGPT seems to know a lot of about GIMP plug-ins. I wouldn't doubt that it can even write GIMP plug-ins.
Anyways I thought in order to compete, I should lower my price of writing a plug-in for clients.
So now my price is $20 USD/plug-in on fiverr.
I am more interested in user cases like variety of them that come from clients.
Just thought I'd share that and link to my gig here: https://www.fiverr.com/tintran/write-yo ... 06d54dfcbb


chatgpt tried to write GEGL plugins under my orders. Many times it got the properties correct but hallucinated non-existent GEGL properties and used features in GEGL i had no idea existed (but they did nothing). Only once did it get a working gegl:linear gradient slider. Every other time it compiled but did nothing or crashed GIMP.

btw
If you want to be as competitive as possible learn gegl syntax and automate with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:55 am  (#19) 
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The only way chatgpt is going to make a gegl filter is if we give it training data like this is inner glow

```
id=1
gaussian-blur std-dev-x=10 std-dev-y=10 abyss-policy=none clip-extent=false
translate x=0 y=0
src-in aux=[ ref=1 ]
color-overlay value=#ff032f
opacity value=1.3
```

This is bevel

```
gaussian-blur
emboss type=bumpmap azimuth=30 elevation=40 depth=2
```

ect shadow, outline... with node connections, property names ect...

That way it "knows" what text styling effects are. Then we can give it more complex instructs like make a gegl plugin with sliders for bevel first, inner glow second, outline third and shadow last and it will do it. It has nothing defined for GEGLs relationship to special effects that is the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Competing in a market that uses ChatGPT
PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:56 pm  (#20) 
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Rod wrote:
I am pretty sure Gimp-2.99.19 and Gimp-3.0 use Python 3.


Of course, they do.
But we'll not only have a new python version ( python3) but also a brand-new API.
This makes it necessary to rewrite the plug-ins.
But it's doable ...


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