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 Post subject: After taking some time with linux...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:14 am  (#1) 
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After spending some time with ubuntu I've found that A - I like it, B - it seems to be cleaner and faster than Windows and C- I plan to installed it on my spare machine. I have Gimp, Inkscape, Open Office, Thunderbird, and open office on it but I'm having a few difficulties:
1 - I'm having trouble installing software that I've downloaded. I've unzipped the .tar and have the actual folder but from there I don't know what to do. In windows you just fins the setup file and run it but I don't know what that looks like in Linux. (windows is .exe for example).

2 - Also when I try to connect it to my home network it says my laptop requires a password but in fact it doesn't.

3 - I can't find a driver for my bamboo, Wacom doesn't make it and the site they send me to doesn't support it. That in itself will keep me from using Linux.

4 - Last, when I install linux will it reformat and thus delete all of my Windows installation files, if so I can back them up but I don't want any surprises.

I could have and maybe should have put this on a linux forum but I kind of sort of maybe a little bit know some of the folks here and I trust your advice and opinions.

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 Post subject: Re: After taking some time with linux...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:53 am  (#2) 
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Many Ubuntu packages require the sudo command to install. Need to open a command prompt, type sudo, then drag your file that you want to install onto the command prompt (automagically types that name including whatever path the installer is in the command prompt area). Hit enter key and then it will ask for your password. Done. A little different then Windows for sure, but not hard to get use too. :)

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 Post subject: Re: After taking some time with linux...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:56 pm  (#3) 
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Downloading and installing programs is easy if you use a download manager like Synaptic. Even UbuntuTweak can download and install programs for you. The majority of programs can be installed using either of these.

I'm not sure of question 2 and 3 but before you do a complete install of Ubuntu, I would partition the hard drive, install Ubuntu there, and have your computer set up to dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu. Once you're sure you want to change over, then you can do a clean install over the entire HD. That's how I did it. In fact, I changed operating systems several times before settling on Linux Mint. Dual boot until you are weaned away from Windows.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:08 pm  (#4) 
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I thought I'd end up adding a partition. The biggest catch right now is that I can't find a driver for my Bamboo but i know there has to be one somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:11 pm  (#5) 
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I don't know if this will help, but it seems to address the problem. It is a little advanced, but a little research and determination may help you accomplish the task.

http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:01 pm  (#6) 
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I found that link right after I sent my last post but thanks anyway. Now I have to figure out what to do with it. I also found Synaptic and I have to figure out how to use it. I also found a post on a forum that said a Wacom Bamboo works perfectly in Ubuntu, time will tell. I'm going to partition my spare experimental computer tonight and take the plunge. I've tried fedora, ubuntu and mint. I think I'm going to ubuntu.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:06 pm  (#7) 
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If your laptop is asking for a password for your network, could
that mean your wireless pass phrase?

Also you may want to check this out.
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubunt ... -installer

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:52 pm  (#8) 
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well now I'm embarrassed because I didn't think of that. I'll try and see. It's not my laptop asking for it, it's my desktop telling me my laptop requires it but either way I think you might be right.
(hangs head in disgrace)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:15 am  (#9) 
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Although the Ubuntu install even for desktop with windows asks for a new user name and pass for security.
Just like a new user for windows for logging into your software. =)

I am thinking very seriously about installing the windows side by side package myself.I have it sitting here on my desktop and i keep almost installing it...lol.
Just don't know if i want another 2 to 5 gb used up just yet.The installer itself is 700mb.
I can just imagine the space it will use up on install. (extracting all it's files)

Does anyone know exactly how much space on your drive is used solely by the platform?

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 Post subject: Re: After taking some time with linux...
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:41 am  (#10) 
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:welcome Take heart... linux reaps great rewards to those who hunt around for solutions.
I have always found that for most things, there are dead ends for incompatibilities and other problems with Windows...mostly reboot or reinstall the OS. Or you just deal with the fact that you can't get what you want.

Linux has the opposite problem... you can find ten billion solutions for your problems... the trick is A. finding the solution that works for your situation, and B. finding complete instructions.

Wacom (usually) has fantastic support for linux (driver-wise, if not rich in easy-to-understand directions) and most unices (plural of unix... trust me) and always has.

The problem is they have a number of different models these days... and folks just assume you install the wacom scripts/drivers and be done with it. You may have to go in and alter things a little bit, basically swap out the appropriate names for things. The last how-to I've seen actually teaches you how to do that. Warning: It does involve the command line. You will use "ls" a *lot*.

Try it out, take careful notes, that way you can make sure you remove everything if it doesn't wind up working. Backup EVERYTHING. This means your unaltered originals, even your newly changed files. You will never regret making an extra backup, believe me.

I am not actually familiar with the Bamboo... but I remember another product which didn't have explicit drivers for it by name, but using the other generic driver actually worked pretty well.

Take notes, and keep your "Linux in a Nutshell" by your side.

"Linux in a Nutshell" is put out by O'Riley publishers. Yes, it is a bit more pricey than the others, and it's impressively thick and stodgy looking. Ignore that. It is a delight to read, they explain things without treating you like an idiot, and... it is exhaustively referential. It's an encyclopedia for all basic things linux. It will save your life on occasion. You won't regret it if you plan on using Linux at all beyond point-and-click.

Some tips for hunting for how-tos and other tutorials on-line:
Check to make sure you know your version numbers, and also keep an eye on when the various posts were written. Often, solutions are posted for current versions of things... this is particularly important for Ubuntu, which has a set update schedule. While anything related to the command line and a few other things probably won't change much, features, modules and program availability on can, so keep that in mind. This is especially true for gui programs which might change where certain files are put... and looking at an older version might mean you'd run into compatibility problems.

The second difficulty is the ever-problematic search. You have to know what you are talking about to search for what you want to know about. :geek: The only way I really know how to deal with this one is to look around what you already know and put in keywords that get close to what you need, and with each search you can get closer to what you want.

It's also possible that I'm teaching my grandmother to chew cheese, but I thought a few newbie-level pointers *might* be useful. If not, then perhaps someone newer to the concept than you can use them later.


Now for something directly relevant to this discussion: :)

when you are being prompted for a password, is it saying something like "access denied" or "you can't do XXX"? OR does it just prompt for a pass word and fail silently when you don't provide one?

I ask because the former is most likely that you have to be root to do what you are trying to do... or it could be something else. I haven't used ubuntu in a while, but debian isn't that different, and I remember it pretty well.

But don't mind me. I'm a shameless linux partisan. I won't hate on you for sticking with Windows,
but I'm usually good for some penguin-related warm fuzzies.
:pengy :proppeng :peng :peng :proppeng :pengy

Personally, I'd go for Debian before Ubuntu... but some say that Ubuntu is more user friendly.
I don't like being herded down the strict six-month update cycle... but I'm lazy, old-school,
and am performing a balancing act of dependencies with all the various programs I run.

You can also check out the ubuntu wiki, which has all sorts of links to current how-tos and what have you. They also post questions and answers to weird situations, plus give you a base-line for the kind of knowledge you need to maintain your system. There is kind of a learning-curve with linux... it's not difficult, or require nerd-level dedication(it does help!). There are a lot of assumptions that linux world has that will seem alien at first to a Windows user. I can think of no better way to navigate that than to go through a wiki and read people's questions and answers.
Click here to get to the wiki! :abduct

Have fun! When it ceases being fun, stop. That's nature's way of saying it's time to take a break. :)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:03 am  (#11) 
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-Ubuntu comes with the Wacom drivers preinstalled in the kernel. Why do you need to download new ones?
-While it's preinstalled, you might need to do a little light tweaking to get it working jut right.

-I learned to hard way, that searching the Internet can lead you down the path of bad or old information. Beware.

-Almost all Linux distributions have a package manager. There should be no reason to download TAR archives and install programs manually. "Synaptic" is the program you should open to install programs. It might not have really uncommon ones, but you should find almost everything you could want there.

-If you burn the ISO to a disc, you can easily install Ubuntu from inside Windows. Just pop the CD/DVD in and run Wubi.exe.
-If you want to install it the other way, you need to learn about partitioning. You can install Ubuntu without wiping your entire drive. While setting the installation parameters, it should allow you to set how you want to partition. You could practice installing Linux using a virtual machine, or on another computer. However, I think a demonstration is best. Check this video out: (Hold on, I'm looking for the video. I can't seem to find it.)
-Before you install, you need to shrink Window's partition. You can do this from inside Windows if you're using Vista or 7. After shrinking it, shut down and reboot into Windows so it can check the file system to make sure everything still works.
-If you can, it's usually helpful to separate the OS's file system from your personal files (on separate partitions). You don't need to though. You can get by with everything on one partition if you want.
-If you have a lot of RAM, you can get by without a swap partition. It is not ideal, and it can cause your computer to lock up if you run out of free RAM, but it's possible.

To answer Rod's question, most Linux installs use between 2-4 GB for the system. Some ask for more space for later expansion, but you can fit Linux on a USB stick.

VIDEOS & TUTORIALS:
-Video showing how to shrink the Windows partition in 7 (or maybe Vista) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anpfu6WY ... re=related
-Video showing you the overall process for partitioning. You don't need to follow this to the letter, it's just a loose guide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhnLk3gv ... re=related
-Tutorial showing how to install from within Windows. http://hubpages.com/hub/Install-Ubuntu- ... -With-WUBI
-Video showing how to manually partition. It's actually showing how to upgrade, but it should still help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5AGfHJysBk

And no, that not me in those videos. I'm no even on Ubuntu right now. My latest Unix mistress is OpenSUSE.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:52 am  (#12) 
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about Ubuntu nobody force you to update every 6 mounths, if the system is stable and customized to your need no much reason to upgrade

Anyway the very last version, on the net from Yesterday is one of the "long term" and will be supported for 3 years

What i prefer in Ubuntu is that even if the official repository may be off date, you could find very often updated packadges in some unofficial repository

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 Post subject: Re: After taking some time with linux...
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:34 am  (#13) 
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Well... if you want to install anything *new* down the road, it can be a bit challenging. Also, if you want old libraries for said new-to-you programs you may suddenly find them unavailable.

I speak from experience. I switched to debian, and never looked back. I suppose it might be different now...

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Anyway the very last version, on the net from Yesterday is one of the "long term" and will be supported for 3 years


Yes. I tend to re-purpose machines and use them until they die. As I said, Lazy. So YMMV.

And there are reasons not to use Debian. They get weird and political about seemingly arbitrary things (I know they are not, by the way, but if you don't have an exhaustive in depth knowledge about the Free vs. Open software... it really looks random) And so you have to do some of your own leg-work for things like... Flash Player and the like.

And yes, one should always download from the package manager, because dealing with dependencies in your head is more than anyone should have to deal with.

As for on-line searches: was talking about browsing for how-to's and other on-line information. I should have made that more clear. Sorry.

I don't hate Ubuntu. I rather like it actually. I just use Debian because it meets my personal needs somewhat better. For most people, Ubuntu is probably better. So let's just pretend I edited that comment out. It's pretty pointless and just adds drift.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:54 am  (#14) 
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"-Ubuntu comes with the Wacom drivers preinstalled in the kernel. Why do you need to download new ones?" because i had no way of knowing they came preinstalled. yes, I knew how to burn an ISO and have already installed ubuntu. An example off the top of my head regarding installing tarballs is inkscape. When i let the software manager download it it wasn't the current version.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:33 pm  (#15) 
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Well, every time I've used Ubuntu, I was able to just plug my tablet in and it automatically worked. I needs minor tweaking to get the aspect ratio right, but it's already there.

GIMP also needs a little tweaking.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:56 pm  (#16) 
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I'll try it and see. I need to get the connectivity issue fixed. I can't get it connected to my LAN yet which means no software downloads yet.

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Bummer.

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Bummer indeed.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:24 am  (#19) 
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Right now I'm completely disappointed with the whole thing. I decided to go all the way and removed the windows partition so now all I have is ubuntu but I simply cannot get it to connect to my gateway. Without being online I can't do anything. Although I'm not a noob in anyway networks are a weak point for me. I can usually get a windows system to work but Ubuntu asks for a LOT more information. I thought I had all of the information right but it won't connect. I've researched it, tried some of the stuff i've found and nothing works. So for right now I have a 30 pound paper weight sitting in my living room.
Unless i can get the wireless connected I'll have to move it to another room and dig an ethernet cable out of my junk box.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:20 pm  (#20) 
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For all its worth, I have a Gateway and from what I understand it has to have the windows partition. When I had my big virus crash last year, it wouldn't let me use anything except the disk provided by Gateway. I had a techie working on it, and after several calls to Gateway, they informed him the partitions have to stay. I think Gateway is the only PC that builds computers that doesn't let you install without the partition....

Don't ask me if I know what I am talking about, cuz I don't. All I know the partition couldn't be removed. :roll:

http://www.computing.net/answers/window ... 82967.html

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