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 Post subject: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:01 am  (#1) 
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Quick landscape practice. With planes!

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Fun fact. There are three hidden cats.


Video! - Recording of Painting!


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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:13 am  (#2) 
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Really nice work, I like the conflict between the old warplanes and the futuristic city, makes for an interesting piece.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:29 am  (#3) 
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Anyone found the cat's yet I'm stumped I can't find 1

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:17 am  (#4) 
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Nice one, but the reflection of the front plane doesn't look quite right (it doesn't seem to be flying in the right direction).

But we have to congratulate who ever shot Count Dracula's plane (which can be identified by its lack of reflection).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:43 am  (#5) 
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The reflection is right if we are viewing from a high angle which I believe we are. The distant plane looks a bit big but it's an excellent piece of work as usual Merrak.


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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:41 am  (#6) 
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Erisian wrote:
The reflection is right if we are viewing from a high angle which I believe we are.


I don't agree: if the plane flies in a straight line to the horizon, its reflection will appear to fly to the same point on the horizon so their two axes should meet at that point on the horizon.


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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:48 am  (#7) 
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merrak: lovely picture! i agree with he4rty about how the old style planes and the futuristic style city make a nice contrast, it sets the picture in a world of its own. i've looked for cats til my eyes went red, though, and haven't found a single one! they're probably stowed away inside one of the planes :hehe .

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:06 pm  (#8) 
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I know where the cats are but only because I read a comment over on DA.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:50 pm  (#9) 
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ofnuts wrote:
But we have to congratulate who ever shot Count Dracula's plane (which can be identified by its lack of reflection).
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Very nice Merrak!! :bigthup
But I arrived late ... I think the cats are gone! :hehe

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I know where the cats are but only because I read a comment over on DA.

Yah! Me too!

Find the cat - http://zikzag.ru/foto/drygoe/2172-naydi-kota.html

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:23 pm  (#10) 
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I think of nuts has a point...the reflection is in the right place but is pointing in the wrong direction a bit. I love the futuristic city. I like the composition of the whole picture.


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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:40 pm  (#11) 
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Okay so I thought it was where they are but it didn't look right but then I read the comment and it's right.xD

I like this one a lottt! Nice work! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:21 am  (#12) 
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Thanks for the comments everyone :mrgreen:

he4rty wrote:
Really nice work, I like the conflict between the old warplanes and the futuristic city, makes for an interesting piece.


I was going to have the biplanes firing lasers, but it didn't look as nice as it would if I had picked a darker setting, like a night scene.


@Everyone looking for the cats: The person who first commented on DA was correct. Click on the link to get the solution :mrgreen:


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Nice one, but the reflection of the front plane doesn't look quite right (it doesn't seem to be flying in the right direction).

But we have to congratulate who ever shot Count Dracula's plane (which can be identified by its lack of reflection).


@ofnuts, erisian, 2-ton: I got pretty confused when it came to the reflection on the plane. For the record, the little plane does have a reflection .. I just made it too faint to see. It's there :D As for the direction, I wouldn't be surprised if I got it wrong. I have a nice little pond in my yard and I might just go out and set this scene up and see what happens in the reflection.



Seeing Mokonafan's video made me want to do another one.

I'm adding the video to the original post - but here's a link to the copy on YouTube.

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The cats are clearer in the video.


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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:15 am  (#13) 
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ofnuts wrote:
Erisian wrote:
The reflection is right if we are viewing from a high angle which I believe we are.


I don't agree: if the plane flies in a straight line to the horizon, its reflection will appear to fly to the same point on the horizon so their two axes should meet at that point on the horizon.


My apologies - I was thinking of position not direction. 2-ton is right.


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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:29 am  (#14) 
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Tweaks, with new shadows!

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:16 am  (#15) 
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merrak, a nice concept! Mixing modern with old like this is cool. The lighting makes me think of twilight just before sunset which is nice.

I do believe your modified reflection is even more off than the previous version's though. ;) You need to rotate the plane's reflection roughly 90 degrees clockwise unless I'm completely off my perspective here. As it is, the reflection of the plane seems to be moving to the upper left whereas the plane is moving perpendicular to it.
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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:39 am  (#16) 
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@merrak. That is a beautiful painting and I enjoy all your work.
Something was bothering me also about your shadow of the plane and I agree with Griatch that it is facing the wrong way. I was wondering if maybe it should be in this direction.

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:12 am  (#17) 
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@molly

Alas, that is not correct either. To see the correct reflection, put a plane mirror on your table and look at it at an angle. Use your hand with its thumb and pinkie extended (as wings) and look at how the reflection is directed. The reflection will show the underside of the plane, with the closest wing-tip pointing towards us.
(the more blurry reflection by merrak is by the way more representative of reflection in deep water - you wouldn't see much detail).
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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:26 am  (#18) 
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Yes, I noticed that after I posted that you would just see the bottom of the plane. I was just in the other room doing just what you said with the mirror :teeth.
Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:09 am  (#19) 
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The reflection of the other plane isn't that well positioned either. It should be higher in the reflected sky; actually, since it's closer to us than the buildings, its reflection should be higher in the reflected sky than the direct sight (hence, pretty close to the grass in the front).

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 Post subject: Re: Dogfight
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:41 pm  (#20) 
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This certainly seems to be tricky :oops:

Thankfully it also seems to be the sort of problem a couple of popscicle sticks taped to a cat toy can shed some light on.

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Let's see if this is an improvement :mrgreen:

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