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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:16 am  (#21) 
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Nope, would i? ;)
I know odin, it was just the quality thing i wanted out of the way.
Really wanna stay with only Gimp if i can, but i have a date with IS tonight, we'll see. :)


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 4:09 am  (#22) 
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Ok so.
Gave IS 5.23 seconds making a basic circle in 48x48, round circle white with black outline, looks greeeeat in IS.
But then i saved it as a .png and reopened it in Gimp..
Looks like i was trown back in time when the dinosaurs ruled the word. :)
I'm not judging, just saying haha, for now ;)
The techniques with Gimp ive mentioned is far better results and i have not even tryed to combine that with the great tips ive been given yet.
Wich i'm going to try now.
Going to try working bigger in Gimp and then the scaleing suggestions, including pre blur mothods and other goodies, all thanks to you!. :hi5
But yes, IS looks better while working, yep. :)

Not judging, i could done something wrong with IS or what ever, still fun to laugh though so, i'll do that. :)


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:39 am  (#23) 
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I tried to make the Drac knob in Inkscape yesterday, but it doesnt work because of the gradients. IS has only linear and circular gradients and trying to imitate the light with other shapes didnt work for me, or looked different (in a bad way).

Thing is, there are a few things that you can make easier and better in IS, especially when you need to put lights around a know and stuff like that.
And scaling is a huge advantage for IS. So maybe, depending on what kind of know you want to make, a combo if IS and Gimp might come in handy at some time.


About the resolution: that should be the same because a rasterized picture is a rasterized picture.
Here is the proof: two circles, one made in IS and imported into Gimp, the other made in Gimp.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:24 am  (#24) 
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Ludde wrote:
Ok so.
Gave IS 5.23 seconds making a basic circle in 48x48, round circle white with black outline, looks greeeeat in IS.
But then i saved it as a .png and reopened it in Gimp..
Looks like i was trown back in time when the dinosaurs ruled the word. :)
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Do your outlines in Inkscape, work with and save as SVG. Open SVG in Gimp, import paths. In Gimp save outlines to Paths and also outlines to Channels. You will now have a few scalable options to work with and fall back on, while your experimenting with detail.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:31 am  (#25) 
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Odinbc wrote:
Do your outlines in Inkscape, work with and save as SVG. Open SVG in Gimp, import paths. In Gimp save outlines to Paths and also outlines to Channels. You will now have a few scalable options to work with and fall back on, while your experimenting with detail.
considering that knobsize is probably pretty much fixed, i dont see what advantage saving paths brings


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:39 am  (#26) 
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Not sure where your coming from Esper? I was describing a possible workflow from scratch with fall back.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:45 am  (#27) 
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ah i see, i thought it was mainly about scaling
sorry Odin


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 10:59 am  (#28) 
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Esper! i so appreciate you getting involved and testing, thank you. :)
I can tell you Esper, you have way much more experience then me and i believe you.

The example pictures does not look the same though Esper.

The whole thing about this scalingbussines was so i can work large and not beeing paranoid about that scaling is so bad, or away from "perfection". :)

Esper, i got an idea/question.

Is it maby a good idea to do all the work on Gimp Large/save it and then open it in IS and use IS as a scalingmachine? :)

With light and shadows on a knob, i found that sometimes, all i need is too make a small selection and tinyest bit feathered, like 1-3 px just to protect my area so i dont spil out.
Then use the airbrush with very light opacity and just do your thing where i want the light.

If lets say the knob is 50px, i could also use a round small (taste) selection and feather that like heck, like 20-30?:) and put that thing just above the edge of the knob, then colorize or brightness.

Need i say that i need to learn layering/modes and selection and all that stuff? absolutely! lol

I certainly haveto spend more time with IS and try stuff it sounds like, i will do Esper.
Workflow-fast is important if one start a major project too, so im using that as a motivator also, yep. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:06 am  (#29) 
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Esper wrote:
ah i see, i thought it was mainly about scaling
sorry Odin
It all good, Esper :bigthup

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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:08 am  (#30) 
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Odin, i think i haveto get my head around that one and just try it tutorial-style.
Alien area you brought up and i need to learn and get used to that one. :)
I will try, thanks odin.


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:41 am  (#31) 
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Here is a quick example how "sharp" i can get it the old way, small.
Not so much details in it exactly or impressive as the first i posted from Google but i'll keep the idea of it because easy on the eys is good too in DAWs. ;)
Sorry if contrast is abit low. :P


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:54 pm  (#32) 
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Alright odin,

1: I did a black round circle in IS and and "shrank" that, did white fill, could not find shrink so, what ever for now, basics, just need to do this once and see the procedure of this start to finish.

2: saved as .svg and opened in Gimp and got options to import paths, did that.

3: I went to the docked path thing in Gimp and i got 4 objects in that thing and here is when i'm lost.

-save outlines to Paths and also outlines to Channels -

Think i need to know the exact location of these things etc.

Gimp for dummys version step by step, click by click.
Or, one youtube link would due too. :*)

Or, give me a week, i'll figure it out. :))


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 1:08 pm  (#33) 
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Think i found, and there is more even about this.
I should be fine i think soon, i think.. :)
Like why save thingies when i just imported thingies.
Man i get stuck easy with small things and yes, i think too much. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkM4cld1mr8
But that is more Gimpwork, not imported .svg.
I'm still searching for this Exact thing. :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 1:47 pm  (#34) 
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Oops ahh-ha @ the Esper vs Odin thingie.

- considering that knobsize is probably pretty much fixed, i dont see what advantage saving paths brings -

- I was describing a possible workflow from scratch with fall back -

Then i don't need to do this right now, good to know later. :)

Oops oops oopsy. :)

Ps, my nickname should be Oopsy at GC i swear to.. lol
Incredible.. :))


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 2:18 pm  (#35) 
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In Gimp use your Dockable Dialogs to access your paths and channels. In the dialogs use the check box on the left side to show/hide. Use either of them to make selections you can manipulate.

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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:14 pm  (#36) 
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Right, got it, did it, done it.
And now i understand why i did it too, i needed that. :)
Thank you. :)


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:08 pm  (#37) 
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Ludde said: Is it maby a good idea to do all the work on Gimp Large/save it and then open it in IS and use IS as a scalingmachine? :)

Well Ludde, i just got an idea,
So this IS is so good at scaling and you can see it while you are working within IS very clearly, so i figure Ok, do that to taste on your knob and then just use the snipping tool from Windows and save as .png, violah! right? everything is just pixels on the screen anyway and if it looks Ok, it is ok? right?
Right? :P


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:18 pm  (#38) 
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no you cant do that
Inkscape is a vectorbased program, Gimp is rasterbased

importing a picture you made in Gimp into Inkscape, doesnt automatically convert it into a vector

what you could do is construct a knob in IS on several layers, resize it when you are happy
then import all these layers into Gimp and put the gradients on top
but im not sure if its worth it

it depends a lot on the knob you are designing
some things are easier to get right with absolute precision in IS


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:34 pm  (#39) 
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Not sure you understand me Esper, i'll show you in a sec, just so typical i can't find a detailed knob when i need it, realistic and detailed as possible.


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 Post subject: Re: How To Make Knobs?
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:40 pm  (#40) 
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well you asked: can stuff made in Gimp be imported into Inkscape and used as a "scalingmachine" ? and the answer is clearly: no


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